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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 18, 2017 - 11:14am PT
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I'm confused.
Is this thread supposed to be limited to Callie and her deserved fame or is it open to other related subjects: rape, feminism, the Weinstein effect, the #metoo phenom, sexual harassment (definitions, etc), etc.
I mean I'm kinda scared to post - what's expected is rather unclear - I don't want to break the rules.
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Warbler, I have only read a percentage of your posts and haven't been paying close attn to the thread. But pretty much everything I've read of yours seems spot on or close enough.
Presently it's crazy out there!
Recall: (1) Half the population have IQs less than 100, many post on forums, and many don't have above average ability to nuance subject matter esp relating to religion, politics, sex; (2) as Yuval Harari pointed out: One of the most powerful forces in history is human stupidity. I know you know these things, I'm just mentioning them as memoranda.
the warlock hunt...
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/12/06/the-warlock-hunt
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/meet-the-women-worried-about-metoo/20639#.WjgPgVNrw2x
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ex-today-staffer-talks-alleged-affair-with-matt-lauer-and-why-she-didnt-speak-out-for-17-years/ar-BBGYGQ7?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=wispr
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Dec 18, 2017 - 11:43am PT
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What Happened to Men and Women? - Camille Paglia & Jordan B Peterson
Posted as a part of the broader discussion:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Dec 18, 2017 - 11:47am PT
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On a college campus, should an accusation of sexual assault be dealt with by the administrators, faculty and staff, or should it be referred to local law enforcement?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
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John, in my opinion, ANY criminal act should be dealt with by law enforcement. The campus rarely has the resources or experience to deal with full criminal investigations, nor does it have the power of subpoena, search warrants.
I see a place for a separate process revolving around institutional compliance, with potential institutional penalties, but not in adjudicating a criminal act. Exam cheating, for example.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Dec 18, 2017 - 12:24pm PT
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Remember when Title IX was about sports? Primarily women’s sports and equal access.
It really evolved into so much more. Very complex. I’m not in academia anymore so I really don’t have a solid opinion about for the better or not. I just know as a female athlete in college I worked diligently to bring some equity into women’s athletics.
Susan
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Dec 18, 2017 - 12:29pm PT
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Yes, Title IX did a great job for women's sports, particularly gymnastics.
And just look at American Ninja!
I agree with you, Ken.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Dec 18, 2017 - 12:36pm PT
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And just look at American Ninja!
Oh my fav summer show.
But on a more serious note when they got into the “dear colleague” guidance on developing a process that curbed due process, (IMO), I felt it started to wander rather far from its original intent.
Susan
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 18, 2017 - 01:22pm PT
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And. . . by the way. . . I'm stealin' that!
Too late. I've filed for a patent.
Well, not really, but Wernerisms are just fun.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 09:50am PT
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One in 1,000 people being sexually assaulted WOULD BE "happening all around us!
Go right ahead and post all the diminishing "stats" you like, but I can tell you from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE that sexual assault AND rape DO happen. OFTEN. It is NOT some rare occurrence, a misunderstanding of a "consensual relationship."
For F*#KS sake already.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2017 - 12:05pm PT
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For the last reported year, 2013, the prevalence rate for all sexual assaults including rape was 0.1% (prevalence represents the number of victims, rather than the number of assaults since some are victimized more than once during the reporting period). The survey included males and females aged 12+.[5] Since rapes are a subset of all sexual assaults, the prevalence of rape is lower than the combined statistic.[6] Of those assaults, the Bureau of Justice Statistics stated that 34.8% were reported to the police, up from 29.3% in 2004.[7]
In the citation posted by YOU, the first sentence in the paragraph quoted above states:
A 2013 study found that rape may be grossly underreported in the United States
It also states, elsewhere:
A 2013 study found that rape is grossly underreported in the United States.[2] Furthermore, a 2014 study determined that police departments eliminate or undercount rapes from official records in part to "create the illusion of success in fighting violent crime".[3]
And:
Rape prevalence among women in the U.S. (the percentage of women who experienced rape at least once in their lifetime so far) is in the range of 15–20%
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
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Has there been a "rapid spread" of rape lately?
No. It has been a longstanding problem. As more realistic definitions have been used, as attitudes have changed, as support for victims increased, and prevention programs spread, there is an effect on the rate, which is thankfully probably decreasing.
HOWEVER, it is exactly these things which you seem to resist and attack. YOU are the problem.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Dec 19, 2017 - 12:11pm PT
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HFCS, don't be shy. Chime in. More POV are good.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 01:19pm PT
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jgill, thanks for the invite! ;)
kingtut and ken, if you wouldn't mind, I'm wondering if you guys could post up warbler's most offending post, or one of them, for context. So I can get a better sense of it. As I just don't get the hostility you're giving him.
I've read maybe, I don't know, I'm guessing, 10-20 of Warbler's posts over a week or two's time, admittedly some quickly; and I've perceived nothing sexist or ignorant or off color. Rather just the opposite: considerate, evidence-based, thoughtful, fact-seeking, discerning.
What say you?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 02:21pm PT
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Rest assured, Warbler, I'll do the research as needed and read it in context.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with your level of formal education. Besides - how would they know if you were a PhD or a GED? Or neither, apparently.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
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I did. But that you have extrapolated to the end you posted isn't rational. You tend to hang a person on a word or two they post, out of an entire sentence, paragraph, series of paragraphs, yet here you seem to have pendji'd way over past the mark. How would they know your education level? I know I certainly didn't.
As I said, I don't think that's what's got them riled.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
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uhhhh.....On the first page of this thread, you hijacked it with a strawman argument, if I understand the definition of strawman argument properly.
Go figure.......
edit: I don't get what you're trying to say
I meant that you posted they couldn't handle a non-highschool graduate debating them. That you would read tut's post and that was what you came away with. It was not a rational analysis of/response to the post you referred to.
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scaredycat
Trad climber
Berkeley,CA
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
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OMG, I find this really really creepy, y'all.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
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Well, it must have been an inside joke in a group that included just yourself then, since the "non-hs" thing would have had to have been common knowledge to actually work in that kind of bit. But whatever.
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