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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Thanks, Dingus.
Interesting to read your thoughts.
I like him. From what I've heard, he seems a man of some substance.
So-called optics look good also. Important in this day and age.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Another of Obama's achievements was normalizing relations with Cuba, and improving relations with Iran. The nuke deal with them was no minor accomplishment either.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Back to answering the OP's question: Um, let's see.
Donald Trump is a classic narcissist who is not interested in people like most of us are. He lies incessantly. He is thinned-skinned where you have to measure it in microns. He doesn't like to read books. He not only believes in but is a prominent re-tweeter of outrageous conspiracy theories and fake news. He has a history of cheating. He almost certainly has done enough bad things to women to rightly be outed and shamed like the other powerful men who are going down. He's not very smart. He has a grandiose self-image. He has a comb-over. I must be missing something.
Edit: I almost forgot, he may well be instrumental in starting a nuclear war.
Paul Ryan is a decent-enough guy, I guess, but is not very smart or imaginative and has lied about his Colorado mountain achievements and just shepherded one of the stupidest and likely pain-inflicting pieces of legislation ever.
I guess I would go with Ryan as being the preferable one.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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And suddenly all the right's raving and ranting about the debt and deficit go completely and utterly mute here, in statehouses across the nation, and most especially in DC.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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There's another way to avoid running up The Debt: Just spend less.
Anyone bitching about trillion dollar deficit up for that?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Yeah, lets make cuts in the military industrial complex. So much waste there.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Is that your platform, to get your party elected? Run on it, then.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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The only place that can be cut is discretionary spending, take a close look and try to figure out where savings could be had
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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you think we need more nukes chaz?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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In the beginning I though I'd rather keep Trump since Pence or Ryan are more competent and could make more progress on a far right agenda. For the record I wouldn't want a far left agenda either.
But the more I see of Trump the more I'm worried he'll do something really stupid, like a nuclear war with NK. So I'm hoping Trump is impeached because who knows what he'll do.
I'm also hoping for impeachment so Trump goes down in disgrace like Nixon did. He has done so much to undermine the respect and dignity that went with the office. I want him out before future leaders think they can get away with this kind of terrible behavior.
The Fet for the win. A+.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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The only place that can be cut is discretionary spending, take a close look and try to figure out where savings could be had
Then you don't cut anything.
Simply freeze spending.
How about we cap Federal spending at the 2016 level? And spend no more than that each year for the next 10 or 20? Each agency gets just as much next year as they got last year, no cut. Before long, we'd be running a surplus and paying down the debt.
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WBraun
climber
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The biggest danger is not Trump but your st00pid US Congress.
They are criminally insane ....
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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^yes. like the parent of an addict, seeing and smelling the sickness yet lacking the sack to take a stand
and chaz, I am on board, provided we freeze pop. growth. hahaha!
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Chaz, run on cutting social security. LOL!
Try freezing SS when inflation continues. Another winning way to win elections.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Freezing population growth will destroy an economy quickly. If we were not living longer that theory might be workable
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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waut aminute John you mean we are living as prisoners of the market? growth for sake of growth, ideology of cancer cell, and stuff?
nice one ekat!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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One of these men is not meg ryan
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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I mean I dunno about useful but damn it is sure fully offputting. Large, too.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Chaz, not all spending is created equal, and it is a weak argument to talk about reducing spending without getting into the types of spending.
Some government spending reduces taxes for rich people and corporations, ostensibly to trigger a trickle-down of spending and job creation leading to prosperity for all. This is pitched as an "investment". Except rich people and corporations will only create jobs when they sense they can make more money. Government incentives don't typically change the fundamental of when a business model and market opportunity justifies hiring more people. Better financial sense to just save the cash and wait until hiring people is a last-resort unavoidable action to maximize profits. So much for trickle down.
Some government spending increases our military might, which can be good or bad. We definitely need some to defend against the bullies in the world. But it seems we are the bully of the world right now. If we are fighting an asymmetrical war on foreign soil where opposing guerrillas can operate on a shoestring to trigger huge expenses on our side... we are looking at a bad return on investment for everyone in USA except the military industrial complex.
Some government spending directly creates jobs among people who spend most of what they receive. That contributes to local economies and generates a lot of prosperity flowing through a system. Even better if the funding is targeted toward rebuilding infrastructure or offering programs that improve the quality of life for more people (e.g. education and vocational programs, elderly care, children's programs, birth control to avoid unwanted children, police and fire safety, etc.)
Some types of spending invest in new technologies that will yield energy independence, lower cost healthcare, and social changes that will lead to more citizens being productive members of society.
I'm all for increased government spending that can a logical person can see how it generates future prosperity of our society. That is an investment, not just pissing away money.
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