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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 13, 2017 - 12:28pm PT
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Holy sh#t, that's crazy Laura. In all my years of riding in both Vancouver and Seattle I've never overheard anyone say anything remotely like that to a woman rider.
Which doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but what you had to deal with is really nasty. Clearly, that kind of sh#t would keep a lot of women off bikes.
The daily commute is different, though. Or I think it is. It's a commute, not a training ride, or any kind of test of manhood. It's just getting to work in the morning and home again in the afternoon. Generally on well-lit streets where the safety issue is crazy drivers, not nasty males. Yes there is the occasional rider who uses it for training, and blasts along at speed, but most people are just combining a bit of exercise with the necessity of getting to and from work.
So I still don't know why it isn't close to 50/50.
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cat t.
climber
california
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Sep 13, 2017 - 12:33pm PT
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you can admit that feminists are often sexist, in a vulnerable way
Of course women are sexist. Everyone is. You know, all I'm really suggesting is that people should try to be nice to each other. It's pretty damn hard not to internalize the dominant mindset of a culture, and ours happens to be one that doesn't have appropriately high expectations of women. I don't think anyone can make it to adulthood without that attitude affecting them in some way.
If someone describes what they're experiencing, or how the dominant culture affects them, just...think about it.
The daily commute is different, though. Or I think it is. Ghost, some men in cars are pretty nasty toward women on their bike commutes. It doesn't happen every day, but usually every couple weeks I'll get someone shouting out their window to comment on my body, or just creepily honking and shouting "aayyyyyy girl."
E deals with it by striking a convo with them and asking them questions, which, because they are often hitting VO2 max, they have a hard time gasping out in more than monosyllables. Hahaha this is great.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Sep 13, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
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Hey KW, did you really take that selfie for me?!?
Dawwwww!
You're a good sport though.. really. Most dudes wouldn't post selfies like that here.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 13, 2017 - 01:32pm PT
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Kevin....I lived in Boulder on a nice quiet street. Every Sunday afternoon a peloton of about thirty riders dressed up like soda pop cans came by completely clogging up the street. I always felt like yelling..."share the road!"
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 13, 2017 - 01:40pm PT
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technically K38.5
EDIT: ^^Early sixties
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Sep 13, 2017 - 01:48pm PT
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Gosh, I'm surprised. . . nobody's called him a d#@&%ebag yet.
Well, I will. . . there you go, warbler.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 13, 2017 - 04:10pm PT
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 13, 2017 - 06:48pm PT
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GOOFY FEET?
Dean’s recollection of the plane crash in Lower Merced Pass Lake is far from what went on. I have watched his video and I have to tell you either Dean is living in a dream world or he is on the edge of his later years
-Rick
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 13, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
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Spicy photos of a pre-op, shirtless Bruce Jenner aside, what in the feck are we talking about, boys?
Old men lusting after young women?
2017 women kicking the rockclimbing ass of 1977 young men?
Justifying now-unacceptable attitudes?
2017 young men insulting 2017 female cyclists?
All I know is that a thread that started by quickly devolving into the usual Supertopo "You're an as#@&%e. No, you're an as#@&%e" thread somehow evolved into a fairly intelligent discussion of male/female issues.
For which we should all be thankful.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 14, 2017 - 07:37am PT
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Hahaha!
I'm still floored by the shock and awe of your awesome selfie!
And yes, other factors notwithstanding, the primacy of power to weight ratio in the climbing game, (particularly in the sectors which you mentioned), would suggest that the gap will continue to tighten down.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 14, 2017 - 08:20am PT
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I don't have the rhetorical chops, investment in brinksmanship, or really the interest in hanging with this crew on such a topic. But I think it's a good one, and I have read all the posts.
I will say that my wife, Lisa Goldsmith, ex-nationally ranked triathlete, ex-professional bike racer (veteran of two Tour de Feminine de France, something which most Americans don't even know exists), and current women's masters (masters = over 40 years of age) Pike's Peak Ascent (mountain running) champion, agrees with you Kevin, on nearly all your points. And her politics in general are quite progressive.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Sep 14, 2017 - 08:26am PT
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^^^
Yeah, but does she send ground up 5.11 trad route first ascents in booty shorts that read "Pink" across the ass?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 14, 2017 - 08:27am PT
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Sadly ... No, but I have!
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Sep 14, 2017 - 08:32am PT
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KW has that Fabio/Jeff Bridges look going on
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Sep 14, 2017 - 08:48am PT
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Totally eKat, totally.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Sep 14, 2017 - 09:03am PT
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HaHa, good'n!! Yeah, actions/investments/intentions are hella more meaningful than words.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Sep 14, 2017 - 09:25am PT
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Susan
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Sep 14, 2017 - 09:32am PT
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I will say that my wife, Lisa Goldsmith, ex-nationally ranked triathlete, ex-professional bike racer (veteran of two Tour de Feminine de France, something which most Americans don't even know exists), and current women's masters (masters = over 40 years of age) Pike's Peak Ascent (mountain running) champion, agrees with you Kevin, on nearly all your points. And her politics in general are quite progressive.
Fantastic and powerful post.
My wife has basically the same sentiment and was an American Record holder and US National team swimmer for several years. If she was a dude most of yall would call her a misogynist.
It would be interesting to see how many high end women actually share the same view on this. Sometimes the minority has the loudest voice but isn't necessarily representative of the population on topics like these.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Sep 14, 2017 - 10:12am PT
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Well, MT ain't that big and I gotta hit that nordic skiing your way one of these days!
BTW, we ain't gettin much precip, just a lot of wind from this teaser so far. Any precip for you up there last night?
But hey, our high tomorrow will be 48 and snow level should reach down to 6k. Man, I'll take that!!
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