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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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I missed that.
But hey, it's repetition, fits this thread, I think.
:-D
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The people that voted for drumpf from the rust belt where never his supporters.
The people in coal country were never his supporters.
Most of his supporters did listen to him. And even if they didn't 3/4ers of them were in states that went blue in the electorate.
This election in no way turned on who voted for trump - it turned entirely on who didn't vote for hillary. Had the people who turned up their nose at hillary simply held their noses and voted she would have won. We're talking a mere 80k votes that it turned on; 80k votes that were entirely easily had if people had simply shown up at the polls instead of staying home because they "didn't like hillary". F*#k that you didn't like hillary, hillary isn't particularly likeable, but the alternative was unthinkable.
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Norton
Social climber
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This election in no way turned on who voted for trump - it turned entirely on who didn't vote for hillary. Had the people who turned up their nose at hillary simply held their noses and voted she would have won.
that's right you traitorous b!tches
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monolith
climber
state of being
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It's more likely that most of those Sanders supporters who didn't vote for Hillary were never going to vote for her in the first place.
Sanders should been seen as an incredible resource to the DNC instead of an outsider, because he expanded the base of potential voters. Sanders as VP would have motivated these people to vote for the ticket.
So stop blaming Sanders and/or his supporters and look deeply into all the foolish mistakes Hillary and the DNC made.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-vice-president_us_576d761ee4b0dbb1bbba7942
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Glad to see tradster post Chris Hedges. Several of his books have a lot of meat to them. He didn't get a Pulitzer for nothing. Recommended reading.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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My fellow liberals should watch this latest Bill Maher piece from last night and then, for whom it applies, perhaps challenge themselves to discover the nuance in the Islamic world. There's plenty of it.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV7eVvph69Y
Misguided liberals empower Trump.
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"If batman were here he would call us racist" I'm f*#king dying lmao
"The only man who stands a chance in a debate with Sam Harris is the great Ben Affleck."
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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yes, I definitely recommend reading...
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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short version: you leftish dudes who keep repeating that trump's election is on the shoulders of those who wouldn't hold their noses and vote for a candidate they didn't like... still don't want to accept a very important thing. and what's mind boggling is that you think continuing to repeat the same thought over and over is somehow going to make your mistaken belief true.
that didn't work during the election cycle and if things keep going the same way regarding the dem talking head [and not just on st] ability to face reality, as they have been... then it's not going to work in four years and is going to be a huge contribution to getting trump [or whoever replaces his impeached ass] re-elected.
longer version: the dems lost for two reasons. they put up a terrible candidate AND given the current climate they put up a terrible platform [the second half is what is not being faced by the general talking head dems].
the platform was the same centre right [by any global analysis] foreign policy and economic platform the dems have now ran for decades combined with a continued centre left social agenda. and if anything more emphasis was placed on the latter [social agenda] than the former [economic/foreign policy].
and this combination of both emphasis and message was the mistake. the left has been making great gains on the social justice front [this by no means is saying that there isn't further to go] which led to both reactionary recoil on the right and fatigue on the left. hard to keep energy up to fight a fight that "we" were at that time currently winning...
and the same time, nothing new was offered with regards to where most people [on both the right and left] are actually losing/suffering. it was the same ole centre right economic/foreign policy that the dems have played for years now. keep pushing foreign wars, international trade deals, etc while failing to offer anything fundamental with regards to the continually growing disparity in the distribution of efficiency gains that are systemic in foundation and therefore should [at least to some degree] have some widespread systemic distribution. put simply banks got bailed out and wall street is back to record numbers at the same time that those individuals who were foreclosed on got no relief and are just barely back to getting out of their holes with little or no significant, across the board, gains to be had in sight.
these two issues [focus and e/f policy], in concert with a terrible pitch person, are why the dems lost. [and so you don't have to guess: i don't think bernie would have changed things as i don't think he would have been a good enough pitch person either and his proposals were too unvetted for widescale consumption].
so... the point: as i've now said some version of the above, in albeit less explicit forms, more than a few times already, if you guys want to keep the same blame game going that you have now been at for the last few months, then have at her... i'm out on this one.
otoh, if you actually want a left leaning politician to win the next election, it's time to move past blame and get going with acceptance:
which means formulating an economic and foreign policy platform that actually resonates with folks...
and then for god sakes find someone other than the same old guard [ie. not biden, m obama, etc] to front it.
if you do that, assuming there hasn't been a military coup in the mean time, the dems will be a shoo in.
if not, then continue your contribution to eight more years of rethuglican devolution.
trump will have gold leafed thank you cards to you in due time.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Hard to think of anything that Switzerland is second in...
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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^^^^
sense of humor?
:)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nahoo...You're full of beans...Hillary wasn't a great choice but the fact remains that she lost because of the joker in the deck , the electoral college.. Trump drummed the " crooked Hillary " kool aid into his supporters thick noggins and not once did he mention what he was going to do to make America Great...Trumps' whole campaign was about the usual Republican smear and fear tactics.... to drive home that fact , Comey dropped his little grenade a week before the election...
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Nope, Nahoo's right.
The more time you spend fighting last year's election, the less chance you have of winning the next one.
Donald J. Trump may be every bit as horrible as you believe him to be, but he is also the President of the United States of America, and that is not going to change no matter how much you whine about it. If you want a different country and a different future than the one he offers, then get to work.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Add that to the list!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Pyro: Just added to the "Trump List of Hypocrisy"- Thanks!
A Newsweek investigation has found that in at least two of Trump’s last three construction projects, Trump opted to purchase his steel and aluminum from Chinese manufacturers rather than United States corporations based in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Pyro: Just added to the "Trump List of Hypocrisy"- Thanks!
Ryan Mattock won't believe you. He has been brainwashed.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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10B...Those are alternative facts not falsehoods..
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