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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 18, 2015 - 09:05pm PT
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The posters on SuperTard have every right to talk sh#t about something they know nothing about,
I'd say most here have a passing familiarity with risk and it doesn't take a genius to decipher
the rather acute risk involved in BASE. What never ceases to amaze me is the condescension
accorded those who dare to express conflicting opinions here.
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 18, 2015 - 09:23pm PT
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What never ceases to amaze me is the condescension
accorded those who dare to express conflicting opinions here.
Please elaborate Reilly
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
climber
/ ne'er–do–well
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Aug 18, 2015 - 09:42pm PT
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Aug 18, 2015 - 10:20pm PT
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Let's all get on with what we do....we know the activity and have accessed the risk/reward ratio to our satisfaction....and, let's allow others to do the same with activities familiar to them but not to us.
Directive to the mindless.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 18, 2015 - 11:27pm PT
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Lets see here..How to make the most dangerous flying conditions possible.
proximity flight check
Mountain flying ..check
High altitude..check
engines off .. check
negative climb rate..check
low yaw rate..check
damn..only thing missing is IFR and icing conditions
Only thing going for these guys is the required landing strip area and quick landing procedure.
I guess there is nothing quite as thrilling as flying the shittiest aircraft ever devised in the most risky way possible...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 19, 2015 - 07:19am PT
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The same could be said of the pilots of the first hang-gliders, the first airplanes, or the first climbers, etc...
I'd bet as the wingsuit technology develops it'll become "safer" and much more mainstream. Imagine what these suits will look like in 15 years.
And as far as proximity flying, with enough people going splat, there will likely be less people opting to fly close to solids. The stuff that makes the news and popular videos will always be guys on the bleeding edge. How much fun would such a suit be even NOT near solids? It must be fantastic but far less visually appealing to an audience.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 20, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
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four-active-duty-navy-jump-off-coronado-bridge
Cool.
In this modern day sterile environment this why men who are men do this.
The rest drool in front of their screens spouting PC correct bullsh!t all day like the two forum politard tools on this site.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 20, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
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four-active-duty-navy-jump-off-coronado-bridge
successful in that nobody got killed, epic fail in that the driver of the drop-off car, the skipper of the boat and all four jumpers got arrested. Not very good planning to bail to Glorietta Bay, but I guess there was no easy exit as going out to sea would have meant passing the Harbor Police dock.
The fact that they tried to go back to Coronado Island makes me think they might have been stationed on the island. SEALS?
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 20, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
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So they didn't do it all perfect and got caught.
They're military gung ho guys.
When I flew with the Lemoore crew they were gung ho too.
Unlike those two PC correct drooling politard tools on this site.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Aug 21, 2015 - 09:46am PT
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OMG - that was hard to watch...
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 21, 2015 - 09:48am PT
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I know it was for me to.
I like when he asks "How strong is human skin?"
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The guy above
climber
Across the pond
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Aug 21, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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The stuff that makes the news and popular videos will always be guys on the bleeding edge.
Nah, those are the attention seeking whores. The grand majority of BASE jumps happen in the dark for personal enjoyment, and are made made of thousands and thousands of jumps ranging from "safe as houses" to "f*#king heeeeellll!!!".
Here's a good example of contrasts from someone you won't find in your viral playlist bullshit http://vimeo.com/136454562 (go watch straight to 2:20 if the beggining bores you)
Oh, and climbski2, i think you'll find out a wingsuit is not an aircraft...
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Sep 27, 2015 - 07:17pm PT
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Sep 27, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
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Oh, and climbski2, i think you'll find out a wingsuit is not an aircraft...
It most definitely IS an aircraft. About the worst ones ever made. You guys need to start thinking of them that way. Aircraft with limitations and specific margins of safety.
and even the best aircraft are not safe for proximity flying..let alone the worst aircraft. Watch birds when they are close to objects or landing ..even they hit them pretty regularly. Not a problem at the speeds they are going but interesting to note the errors.
Landings are a type of proximity flying one could say..and not surprisingly a large percentage of the accidents occurring with powered aircraft are during landing.
The stuff you guys are trying is not new and it was well demonstrated to be ridiculously unsafe near on 100 years ago by young men in their flying machines.
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The guy above
climber
Across the pond
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Sep 28, 2015 - 12:22am PT
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So what qualifies you to make those statements about wingsuits, climbski? As in
-How many wingsuit skydives have you got?
-How many wingsuit base jumps have you got?
-Which wingsuits have you flown?
-What was your wingsuit progression?
-What involvements have you got with with WS flyers or manufacturers?
If the answers to those questions is "none" then you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are talking out of your arse.
Sorry dude, but what you write is not different to the Daily Mail commenters dropping all their nuggets of wisdom every time there's a piece about climbing
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 28, 2015 - 12:33am PT
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Cool stuff, no doubt, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out human perceptual and cognitive systems didn't evolve the necessary processing speed to reliably accommodate proximity flying on any regular basis. I do find it somewhat fascinating that the lure of proximity flying has turned out to be so compelling.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Sep 28, 2015 - 08:25am PT
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Spent all my life around aircraft GUY..
Aircraft are aircraft..proximity flying is what it is and nothing can make it something other than russian roulette.
Regardless what you are flying. Even the military with its really amazing avionics, guidance, and fly by wire computer overrides, incredible aircraft performance characteristics..nothing stops even them from losing a SEVERAL aircraft and crews every year from doing the same thing. The very best and brightest superbly trained young skilled men and women playing a losing game.
Write me off if you like..pretend what you are doing is something new if you wish. Almost none of you kids are going to listen no matter how correct the info..But maybe ..I hope some of you listen. Tired of seeing folks I have met and admired go down pursuing a truly foolish uncontrollable outcome.
You guys decieve yourselves into thinking you are doing everything you can to stack the odds in your favor..remember these questions??
-How many wingsuit skydives have you got?
-How many wingsuit base jumps have you got?
-Which wingsuits have you flown?
-What was your wingsuit progression?
-What involvements have you got with with WS flyers or manufacturers?
^the above questions are forms of self deception..sort of like not seeing the forest for the trees.
None of this matters when you are breaking one of the biggest and most basic principles of safe flight..the fact is by entering this arena you have stacked all the odds against you..
These deaths are far from accidents..the only accident is surviving.
Perhaps some of you are saying..yeah..he is right but I don't care..this is worth it to me..if so..good for you..you have made your decision with your eyes wide open. I have no interest in making this illegal..your life is your own (mostly)..but don't play the self deception game as you run the likelihood of deceiving others and perpetuating poor decision making.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 28, 2015 - 08:51am PT
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climbski, you can't reason with these people, god knows I've tried. They're the same dudes
who drive their pickups around with the tailgate down thinking it will boost their mpg. And
every time I even mention aspect ratio I get snarled at.
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