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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Jul 17, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
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Exactly.
Only one sure way you can reduce your chance of survival in that type of situation.
I was so gripped when I had some cops draw on me in SF! I can't even fathom making a decision to move my hands around in that fashion.
It was out of fear that I froze, and a very healthy dose of respect for the steel, no matter who is behind it.
Sad story.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Jul 17, 2015 - 02:44pm PT
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Because like most people he probably thought that cops are not trigger happy jittery chickenshit cowards.
And he was likely drunk, which the cop certainly knew.
But he could have been a quick-draw gunslinger with superhuman powers!
That cop's life was never in danger, even by the most generous of standards.
Seems like you are speculating, because you were not there.
I was not brought up to believe this:
Because like most people he probably thought that cops are not trigger happy jittery chickenshit cowards.
Maybe because I was friends with kids who's dads were cops. They told me that if a cop has drawn on you, you better do what he says.
That kid had no respect, was moving in and out of sight, and reached for his right pocket 2 times.
Just saying, if he had done what his 2 buddies did and stay still, there would have been no deaths. I guess they were not part of what you lumped the majority into with this statement:
Because like most people he probably thought that cops are not trigger happy jittery chickenshit cowards.
Good guy or bad guy behind the gun, you have to respect the steel.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Jul 17, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
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Mucci, you make the mistake of believing the law permits cops to shoot people for not fully complying with their orders. Nothing could be further from the truth. While it is a consideration, the bottom line is whether a reasonably trained officer in the same or similar situation would believe his life was in danger. Officers are trained to distinguish between situations that are stressful but not in fact life threatening. Fact is, Gardena P.D. basically agreed the shooting was outside of policy, and not consistent with the prevailing law on the reasonableness of the use of lethal force. The three officers who fired their guns were ordered to undergo further remedial training.
That's why they agreed to pay the victims almost 5 million dollars.
A reporter asked me last night why it is that officers are so quick to believe a person of color is a credible threat, when the same behavior by a white person would not be responded to in the same way. Remember, Latinos are the single largest ethnic majority in the Los Angeles metropolitan area.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jul 17, 2015 - 05:10pm PT
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Those three teenagers were stopped and one was murdered by the Pigs because of a stolen bicycle report. Turns out they were looking for the same bike as it was the dead kids brother that made the report.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Jul 17, 2015 - 06:10pm PT
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I only assume that when a gun is pulled, there is a reasonable chance that if I comply I will not be shot.
I do not condone the shooting by any means.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Jul 17, 2015 - 09:26pm PT
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If you don't condone it, then why do you blame the person shot?
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Jul 17, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
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They knew the camera was Rolling.
Oh wait, that was supposed to put a stop to the executions right?
Pipe dream. The reality is, don't do anything dumb with a gun pointed at you.
It makes the odds a bit better if you find yourself looking down the barrel of a glock.
I know what I did when it happened to me.
Nothing! kept my hands on my head till they figured out I was the wrong guy.
Came natural to me, like a life trait.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jul 22, 2015 - 06:43pm PT
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Amen, Jim.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 22, 2015 - 06:58pm PT
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The videos speak for themselves. Even if Sandra Block used weed and killed herself, the question is would she have done it if she hadn't been wrongfully jailed.
Encinias had no (that is absolutely no) legitimate grounds for placing her under arrest at the point at which he told she was under arrest.
Did she have an attitude. Wouldn't you?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Has this story been discussed?
CHARLOTTE – The fatal exchange between Eaton County Sgt. Jonathan Frost and 17-year-old Deven Guilford on Feb. 28 lasted five minutes and 39 seconds. It started with Guilford being pulled over for flashing his bright lights at Frost, and ended with Guilford dead, laying in a snow bank on M-43.
The traffic stop took place in the dark on a rural stretch of the road in Roxand Township, illuminated only by headlights and Frost's flashlight. By the end Guilford had been shot seven times, once in the head and six times in the upper body at close range.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2015/06/16/time-line-fatal-deven-guilford-traffic-stop/28828907/
The officer was not charged.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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The 'ol playbook...
When the oligarchs start to fail... ignite a race/religion/etc war...
Same as it ever was...
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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That's some creepy sh#t about Rev. Farrakan.
Looks like the mainstream media is giving it a pass.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Thankfully, they don't spend time on this rightwing nonsense.
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 15, 2015 - 08:20am PT
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Here's an interesting California case just popped up. Looks like 3 cops (and a defense attorney) got tired of the arrest/let the crook out merry-go-round and shortstopped the legal process to put an end to it for this thief by just killing him.
"LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California defense attorney and three state highway patrol officers were arrested on Friday in connection with the 2012 killing of a man thought to be stealing scrap metal and other items from private property, police said.
A total of nine people were arrested near the city of Modesto, about 92 miles (68 km) east of San Francisco, on a string of charges related to the murder of 26-year-old Korey Kauffman, according to the Stanislaus County sheriff's office.
Criminal defense attorney Frank Carson, who last year made an unsuccessful run for Stanislaus County district attorney, was named as ringleader of the plot and charged with first degree murder, conspiracy and the special circumstance of lying in wait, which could qualify for the death penalty under California law."...
http://news.yahoo.com/california-defense-attorney-three-state-highway-police-arrested-051408104.html
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 15, 2015 - 08:26am PT
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Yeah, I used to think the CHP had higher standards. Maybe they went bad after hanging
with the would be district attorney?
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Guck
Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Aug 15, 2015 - 09:33am PT
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While some CHP are OK, I faced a case of total dishonesty from them in court over a stop sign ticket. I stopped short of the line, then proceeded, towing a trailer with 600 pounds of cement bags. In court, the CHP showed a video of my car flying through the stop sign; They recorded the event and then played the video in court at a much higher speed. I got convicted. What a disgusting dirty trick!
Thanks Jim Brennan for posting the video. It is long, but every minute of it is worth it.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 25, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
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I tried to say something about this a few weeks ago and you guys all jumped on me and called me a racist. I know me being an old white guy its not my place to say this. I hope this womans point is taken seriously though I do not have much faith that it will be. http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/25/grandmother-peggy-hubbard-takes-down-black-lives-matter-viral-video
yes I know it was linked from Faux news but she has creds and has the right idea that they need to make this the focal point of the black lives matter movement.
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 25, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
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Not me. I wouldn't call you racist at all. Most violent black deaths are caused by other black folks. Why not address that?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Aug 25, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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Separate issues.
Black people kill black people at a disturbing rate.
Police kill unarmd black people at an alarming rate.
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