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johntp
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socal
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May 25, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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Can any of you debate or discuss without getting hysterical?????
Pot calling the kettle black.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 25, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
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Can any of you debate or discuss without getting hysterical?????
Nothing hysterical whatsoever about my simple and straightforward question "Dr." F.
And the question is germane to this thread, since you often (and quite recently) cast yourself as a "student" of this subject and call it such things as "basic political science."
In my observation, you are unable to grasp the simplest and "most basic" of distinctions, such as negative and positive rights, the difference between classical liberals and communitarians, and so forth.
And whenever I try to "debate" you regarding such "basics," you immediately start popping off with ridiculousness like referring to tri-point hats and other such irrelevant nonsense.
You don't really want to debate. You want to pretend like you are knowledgeable, but you actually are not, not even about the "basics."
So, let's hear it: WHAT is your doctorate in, if you have one? Otherwise, you're just a poseur, "Dr."
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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May 25, 2015 - 05:07pm PT
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Madbolter1: Odder still to see that you equate "capitalism" with "avarice".
Most people do when they consider the stratosphere. If you’re talking about theory, then sure. Economists rarely see the whole picture; what they see are aggregates, and their views are of a particular ilk. Capitalism means to be an elegant theory; but life is not theoretical; nor are people’s behaviors or their preferences. If you’re talking about practice in economic systems, then you’ll have to open up your mind. You surely aren’t listening to many people.
I think it was Kaplan who said that economics has its place—just not the whole place, please.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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May 25, 2015 - 06:31pm PT
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Doctor F, I only said what I did to try to draw your attention to that fact, instead of you acting constantly like the victim.
I may be a prick myself, but I try to keep a open mind knowing that there are two sides to every argument.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 25, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
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madbolter...I think Dr. F is-was a proctologist...Maybe why he likes baiting you..?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 25, 2015 - 06:58pm PT
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Capitalism means to be an elegant theory; but life is not theoretical; nor are people’s behaviors or their preferences.
Absolutely agreed, which is why I have never advocated unregulated, "free" market capitalism. Our government has every constitutional right, and also the responsibility, to regulate interstate commerce (big corporations) FAR more heavily than they do. Please don't think I am Rebumblecon in my thinking about capitalism.
My point is that capitalism is an economic system and/or set of philosophical principles, while avarice is a motivation. Equating them is a category error. And our government SHOULD be taking a much more active role in regulation, so as to keep a lid on the avarice that CAN emerge.
Comcast/Time-Warner? Why is this even under serious consideration? Where is our government doing ONE of the things it actually has a right/responsibility to do in our protection?
If you’re talking about practice in economic systems, then you’ll have to open up your mind. You surely aren’t listening to many people.
I don't know the basis of that sentiment. Most people here are damning "capitalism" without even know what they are talking about. It is true that my mind is not "open" to such opinions.
I think it was Kaplan who said that economics has its place—just not the whole place, please.
I have little respect for the "science" of economics.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 25, 2015 - 07:01pm PT
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Maybe why he likes baiting you..?
Good one, LOL.
Now I'm both humored and vaguely uneasy. One thing is for sure now: He is never going to find out where I live!
Reminds me of a line from the Monkey Wrench Gang in which "Doc" (who does general surgery) is going to perform a hemorrhoidectomy on a prosecuting attorney, a procedure which he equates to coring an apple, and he says, "Prosecutors will be violated."
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 25, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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madbolter... Dammit...stop LOLing....i was trying to insult you....rj
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 25, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
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i was trying to insult you
Dang! Sorry to disappoint.
So sorry.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 26, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
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Thanks for the hysterical slew of insults Mad
Hope you got it out of your system
I do want to ask you about my expertise, evolution.
So did God create and then kill off the old organisms in some sequential order?
also, for some other information, please answer these simple questions:
how old do you believe the earth is?
what about climate change, man made or not?
Was all your education in Christian Schools?
And your PhD is in what?
What's your evidence of evolution not being the system that gave us what we see now as far as the diversity life forms that exist today, and are preserved ion the fossil record?
Tell us about these miracles. Is it magic?? How does God do it?? Is Jesus involved in any of this creation science? When will God create a new life form next? Where is Jesus now?
I don't see him in any part of the natural world.
I look forward to reading your publications, can you provide a link Madbolter
Richard Jensen Publications and Presentations
Miracles, Faith, and Unanswered Prayer (ISBN: 9780828020152) -- In this book, I discuss the nature of genuine Christian faith, distinguishing it from the many sentiments falsely claimed to be faith. I consider the role of miracles and prayer in Christian experience, and I conclude that God is prepared to provide far more power and striking answers to prayer than Christians generally realize. This book contains deep, careful thinking about some of the thorniest questions in Christianity, as well as providing practical responses to real-life situations.
Seminars -- I have delivered numerous philosophical seminars, including: A Critique of Evolutionary Arguments, Kantian Metaphysics, Introductory Logic, Introductory Philosophical Methods and Thinking, and Political Philosophy, among others. These seminars are typically ten sessions of about three hours each; they provide the uninitiated lay person with an introduction to the topic issues and then an increasing depth of understanding and exposure to the literature on the subject.
Divine Command Ethics: An Argument in Favor of the Command Over the Will Formulation (Ph.D. Dissertation) -- the title links to a downloadable PDF that is 920K in size. I provide a background into Metaethics, particularly how so called "Divine Command Theories" attempt to resolve certain ethical problems. I then distinguish between two strands of Divine Command Theories: Command and Will formulations. Finally, I argue that the Command formulation is superior to the Will formulation, and in so doing I address and resolve a number of classical ethical puzzles (such as the Euthyphro dilemma).
sabbath-day.com -- This is a website devoted to discussion about the seventh-day Sabbath. Here I address the relations between the law and grace, the two covenants, the role of the law in salvation, the nature of authority to command, Pauline theology, and early church history, among many other related topics. This site has been called by many readers, "The most comprehensive and yet accessible website about the Sabbath available."
This is part of your consulting services, so I knew it would be OK to post it. Maybe this will help promote your business outside your regular bubble!
Sounds like good stuff.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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May 26, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
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Just dropped in and saw this...
I do want to ask you about my expertise, evolution.
Would you agree that Darwin chose his words carefully when he called his work "The Origin of Species," not The Origin of Life?
Have you read "Darwin's Doubt?"
This is on topic if you, like I, think that a Survival of the fittest principle applied to markets can often result in better results that any alternative that's been tried on a grand scale.
What kind of appliances, automobiles, cameras, movie theaters, airplanes, and on and on would we have today had competition (and it's necessary results of success and failure) not been an essential part of the selection process?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 26, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
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Yes K.
everything evolves
it starts out as primitive, and evolves into other forms
The survival of the fittest is not the only driving factor
It's about filling niches that allow for diversification.
and being isolated from other breeding populations
and a million other forces that are part of the life on the planet earth
The origin of life is not known at this time, but no scientist would say that God created it through magic, they would speculate on various theories that are plausible with the historical record that involve natural agencies creating life after millions of years.
I've read many great books on (The Origin of Life) the subject, it all makes sense if you can understand the science.
It is the only plausible explanation.
There is no doubt that Darwin was the one the most transitional scientists ever, along Einstein, Newton etc. He started the science that led to most every scientific explanation and observation we have of the natural universe.
which is 14.5 billion years old
What was so revolutionary?
He took God out of the equation as being the creator, it could happen w/out God, and it purged all the other Christian science non-sense out of the mainstream intellectual scientific collective.
No longer would we use the phrase "God did it"
We now know that God didn't do it, it happened naturally.
That was so revolutionary at that time, and still today.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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May 26, 2015 - 07:06pm PT
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It is the only plausible explanation.
What is the only plausible explanation?
That most theories on the origin of life are long on speculation?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 26, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
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Thanks for the hysterical slew of insults Mad
Hope you got it out of your system
Nothing of the sort in my system, "Dr." I asked a simple, straightforward question. You replied with irrelevancies.
I'll ask again (and again, until you address the simple question): DO you have a doctorate, and, if so, in what field?
There is nothing resembling an "insult" in the question.
Just answer it.
Edit: I'll be happy to answer all of your posted questions as soon as you answer the ONE I keep asking you.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 26, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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you answer my questions above^
I answer yours, deal?
and while your at it, go back and see what you wrote, it is nothing but insults.
So go ahead and answer them
I won't say anything until I see every question above answered.
I can care less if you asked first, I don't trust you, not in the least possible way
and your question has nothing to due with the subjects at hand, mine are completely relevant, since my whole premise was that you were relying on Christian magic to solve the problems we face.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 26, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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Absolutely. But, remember, I asked first. Oh, and mine is much simpler to answer. LOL
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 26, 2015 - 08:19pm PT
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I won't say anything until I see every question above answered.
What a laugh. I think you have been exposed for ALL that you are (and are not), good "Dr."
We'll see how long this iteration of the good "Dr." lasts before yet another good banning.
Ahh... the whack-a-mole.
I'm done with you.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 26, 2015 - 08:23pm PT
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Yes Mad, you exposed it all
You just proved to be untrustworthy for all to see, as I predicted
Yes, we are done here, you have been exposed as a complete right wing Christian zealot that wants to keep his beliefs under a cloud of pseudoscience and make believe, yet claim to be the only one that knows the truth.
how many times have we heard that story before, every cultist has all the answers, except they only apply to the cultist that believes them
read some 'skeptical' literature, it will help you battle that wet paper bag
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WBraun
climber
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May 26, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
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Dr Failed -- "... every cultist has all the answers"
Dr Failed cult of knowledge always answers his own questions for you, puts his own words into others mouths and then,
Dr Failed's cult of knowledge always has all the answers for you.
Same ole stupid tactic every time .....
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