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ecdh
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the east
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several inter govt groups and research taskings.
observation and analysis of various things ranging from displaced people to political observation and border area stuff. mostly in the NW but time in other areas too.
this is a discussion id rather have privately, so pm me if you like.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Sounds like a spook
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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ecdh
tell us about the tactical nukes that Israel is using
Werner says you're the only one that knows about them besides him
I really want more info, this sounds very serious indeed.
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WBraun
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I never said such bullsh!t you make up Craig.
I said he's not as brainwashed as YOU fools here .....
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Really?
I agree 100% with ecdh
so why am I considered brainwashed
It's the right wing media that spews all the lies about Iran
The left has been trying to tell the same story as ecdh
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
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I wonder why people think Iran is planning to make nuke when they already got a few Russian made.
Also, BIBI owes iran 20 Billion $ since 1978 and technically, since Iran is BIBI'S # 1 enemy they can't wire money to their enemy
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Tom Patterson
Trad climber
Seattle
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ecdh - thanks for your thoughtful and informed contributions.
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couchmaster
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2016 - 10:42am PT
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I did some looky-looky around Werner, and it seems to me that you just all too easily take things at face value. 1st, I tend towards being a non-interventionist kind of guy. I usually want the US to stay the heck out of 90 percent of the crap we get into. Some of it's real nasty and unnecessary that kicks back on our countrys reputation in a bad way. The other 10 percent or so of the time our intervention is justified.
So found this if this is what you are describing: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/29/how-israel-was-busted-nuking-yemen/
You believe and accept that is a nuke? Why didn't the emp immediately kill the digital camera? Looks like a bunker full of fuel was hit. A neutron bomb should be an air burst. That's a ground burst - conventional. Somebody makes some crap up and everyone else copy/pastes it as fact. It looks like nothing we are familiar with. I know some folks with the Doctors without borders. They are honorable and honest to a fault. Doctors without borders have been in Yemen all this time (recently had a hospital bombed) and not a peep out of one of them. No radiation burns or effects have been reported. If that was a neutron bomb, the enhanced radiation produced would have resulted in many horrific and obvious injuries. Where is that person to person evidence? Please show me one instance of such a report.
*UPDATED*
As I typed this I've had a mind change. In retrospect, I could be totally wrong on this and there may be a lot of stuff going on. I was going to proceed to "let alone how can you draw a line to Israel" given that Saudi Arabia is militarily controlling the sky's with US help, but have reconsidered my point of view. In fact, there have been 3 instances of Doctors without borders having been mysteriously bombed in Yemen. That's a very strange thing as the group both gives their co-ordinates to anyone with warplanes a long time in advance, work directly with the militaries so they all know, AND CLEARLY MARK THEIR FACILITIES (RED CROSSES ON THE ROOFS ETC ETC) so as to avoid an accident. So given that they were intentionally bombed, multiple times and many medical folks killed, I'm led to the question: why would that be? Scary as the easy answer is to get rid of witnesses who can and will communicate this kind of craziness to the world. Yet I would still expect reports of radiation sickness. Where are those?
Link to what I'm talking about: http://www.salon.com/2016/01/11/bloodshed_in_yemen_continues_3rd_doctors_without_borders_hospital_bombed_in_saudi_led_u_s_backed_war/
A story of the US doing an identical thing in Afghanistan. Lots of unanswered questions remain, and it appears that the US is now saying it was intentional. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/05/we_have_committed_a_war_crime_patients_were_burning_in_their_beds/
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ecdh
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the east
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craig fry: i dont know anything about about whatever nukes israel is into.
the russia matter majid raises is interesting. the two places have very odd relations, and i dont think iran would get that in bed with russia - not when they are more in bed with china these days and not when their future looks towards western cooperation probably.
personally i wouldnt tag any of this 'left'. the efforts and gravity guys like kerry bring to it are strategic, not humanitarian. they see the changed chess board and are playing for the high value pieces, and unlike the rest of the region (exception maybe/maybe not turkey) they are not dealing with a tin pot dynastic desert outpost-come-oil city state that will just define itself by its exports.
this makes the level of diplomacy several notches higher and the outcome somewhat greater. iran is a very different entity to saudi, pakistan, iraq, syria, oman, the emirates, central asian reps etc and western foreign policy needs to step up a bit to take it on.
id argue that the left has tried to saintize the iran issue. iran still has a LOT of elements that are not acceptable in this era, plus a past that needs answering to. some of the institutions need oversight definitely.
they will not come on line as rich but quiet little-brother-state like azerbaijan, dubai etc. they have long been the counter weight in a massive region and thats not going to change. they know they have leverage, and a bit like china - with a long history they know how to wait sh#t out.
note too, it wont be like china opening up. iran is already a fully functioning nation with stable borders, good infrastructure, functioning industries and institutions etc. it will rapidly take a place currently occupied by some countries that have taken decades to get there.
anyway im drinking too much coffee and raving - i warned you all about this.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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ecdh
all you had to say about the tactical nukes that Israel is using is "That's crazy talk"
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Craig: honestly i have no idea so cant form an opinion. Sure it may be crazy talk, or not. But i aint the guy to say.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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i dont think iran would get that in bed with russia
They would love to hop into the sack with Russia if it would benefit them.
Trade a little oil for weaponry and nuclear whatever? In a heartbeat!
These guys are the original rug salesmen and they will do a deal just for
the love of doing the deal, unless it costs them. Right now their 'best'
friends are China, India, and Turkey; they're the ones that benefited the
most from the sanctions being lifted.
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WBraun
climber
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No way Jose
The Putinator is a good guy.
Even Obama likes him.
The Trumpinator likes him.
The terrorist McCain don't like him.
Bibi the sh!t head don't like him.
The aszhole Turkey's Erdogan hates him.
Ho mannnn the stoopid topo brainwashed fools don't like him.
Tactical nukes don't like him ......
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Mmmm naaah
Despite the stereotypes it would entail a political and strategic process so twisted, with so much risk and so little reason its very difficult to see. That they never did as a full renegade state makes it very unlikely for the future.
Conven weapons, maybe, but for both sides a joint nuclear love in - nope.
Its not the 60s. The field isnt as clunky and black and white. The forms of bold foreign policy face iffs if that era dont apply any more. Iran didnt back off its nuke ideas because it wanted to be cuddly, it did so because there are better ways now to solve security issues and to make cash.
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WBraun
climber
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Iran didn't back off its nuke ideas because it wanted to be cuddly,
it did so because there are better ways now to solve security issues and to make cash.
Yes ... just see good intelligence.
Instead the western loons keep making fear mongering and aggression against the rest of the world to rape its resources in the guise of war.
Stoopid western idiots and their stoopid nukes and war.
Just see the stoopid loon westerners at work making hell on earth ......
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Whilst i admire your fervour Werner, i think the westerners in the iran game are doing ok - but yes its very out of character.
Kerry has done a good job i think, in part because he fortfied his position with japan, who have always been a key player in iran and give some balance eastward of iran ie burma and china where other aspects of the iran deal are being felt.
agreed the neo con idiots are missing the ball, but theres some good people quietly on the job.
For now...
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Israel is not using tactical nukes. Another goofy conspiracy theory.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Israel is not using tactical nukes
Cause they don't need to when they can kick yer ass three ways to Sunday
with conventionals. Besides, this is all a big poker game and nobody is
gonna call until everybody is all in.
zBrown, nice 1000 lb bomb blast.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Welcome to the age of 5th gen hybrid nuclear weapons, a more deadly and dangerous age than the Cold War.
I'll read through it later.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/04/vt-nuclear-education-the-uranium-hydride-bomb/
This is a list of some of the most common misconceptions about nuclear weapons use:
“There was no significant fallout in the vicinity of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. All radiation injuries were a result of immediate (first 1 minute) radiation.” True.
“The only cases of significant fallout exposure as of 1964 to individuals, was in the Marshall Islands after a U.S. test. The short term effects were skin ‘burns’. As of 1964, no long term effects were known, although a slight excess cancer rate would be expected based on modern knowledge.” True.
“Almost all radioactivity in fallout – even in a ground burst – comes from the fission products themselves or transmutation of parts of the weapon. Thus air bursts and ground bursts produce approximately the same amount of radioactive products. However, ground bursts cause much more of the radioactive debris to be deposited within a fallout pattern, rather than distributed (and accordingly diluted and decayed) across the entire planet.” True.
“The blast effect is primarily determined by the “overpressure” – given in English units in PSI. A human being can withstand up to about 35PSI of peak overpressure from a nuclear blast (1% fatality rate). Your distance may vary. Thus a human will almost always survive the blast overpressure at approximately the following distances (slant range) from a blast according to the following table”: when we extrapolate these statistics, we see that the news reports from other blasts are consistent with these scientific data. True.
Where have we seen this effect used before?
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