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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"...the rest of us will live in reality."
+10000000
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"And it is simply not arguable that aggressive enforcement of drunk driving laws has not resulted in fewer accidents and deaths; utterly unarguable."
Liberty-tard argument countdown:
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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"...the rest of us will live in reality."
+10000000
No, no! +1000000000000000000000
No, even that's not enough for REALITY! Yayyy reality! You go, reality!
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
No, +infinite
No, +infinite like the set of all numbers, not just infinite like the set of whole numbers!
Yayyyy reality!
ROFL
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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And it is simply not arguable that aggressive enforcement of drunk driving laws has not resulted in fewer accidents and deaths; utterly unarguable.
Show me some aggressive and effective enforcement against gang violence and drug-related violence. Then we'll start talking about private citizens.
Address the problem where it is, not where it isn't.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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So an 8 y/o shooting an Uzi is the same as an adult solo climber who decks?
How are these situations the same?
How are these situations different?
Explain. Then try to comprehend.
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WBraun
climber
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They're both the same?
Both are living entities.
gotcha ya drama queen .....
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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What are you trying to say Johnboy, that getting drunk, then getting behind the wheel of a car ISNT pre-meditated?
Are you saying that a momentary decision that resulted in a fire arm accident is different than drinking until one is inebriated THEN getting in a car is somehow not in the same league?
Reread what I quoted you were talking about.
Accidental verses purposely.
I then went on to say neither were exceptable, car deaths or gun deaths, that would incude accidents.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Reread what I quoted you were talking about.
Accidental verses purposely.
I then went on to say neither were exceptable, car deaths or gun deaths, that would incude accidents.
Here's a little help for you, in reality....
"Accidental versus purposefully." (Look it up, since you are talking about a contrast regarding premeditation.)
"... neither were acceptable..."
"... that would include accidents."
I'm normally not the grammar Gestapo, especially on a thread! But, since you're going to hold everybody to reality and all, it seems appropriate to be nit-picky all up in the house.
Edit: And, btw, I do not agree that the typical drunk driver is acting purposefully. Purposely, yes. Purposefully, not in the vast majority of cases.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nope, not as long as those individuals are of sound adult mind to make such a choice, and their choice doesn't impact others negatively (literally or figuratively).
So why doesn't that apply to an 8 y/o with an Uzi?
Because they are 8 y/o, and they're using an Uzi.
Got it yet? Or are you gonna change the subject again?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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But with guns... we need laws now?
 yes.
Because people with guns constantly imposing their will... without ever considering others prior to doing so.
Climbers have better judgement than firearm owners?
yes.
Climbers would never have taken their kid to a wall and said solo it so you can earn more respect from others...
Guns seem to be ego driven in my view.
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dirtbag
climber
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There is no fooking reason for eight year olds to use Uzis. You guntards don't realize how dishonest or ridiculous you are sounding by repeatedly trying to change the subject. We could play "Well, what about..."all day long, but the issue of this thread is 8 yos and Uzis. Yes, legislation might be needed to protect kids from their dumb sheet parents.
" Boo hoo hoo, guvmint is taking my freedom to be a dumbass parent. Wah!!!" Well, too fooking bad!!!'
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Got a link to 8 y/o soloist deaths?
<crickets>
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Try to change the subject.
Funny... I thought I was getting back on subject. This was about guns, or something like that. Right?
So, if you want to talk about aggressive enforcement saving lives, then I totally agree and would want to see more aggressive enforcement regarding criminal use of guns, or something like that.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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dirtbag
climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 10:09am PT
There is no fooking reason for eight year olds to use Uzis. You guntards don't realize how dishonest or ridiculous you are sounding by repeatedly trying to change the subject. We could play "Well, what about..."all day long, but the issue of this thread is 8 yos and Uzis. Yes, legislation might be needed to protect kids from their dumb sheet parents.
" Boo hoo hoo, guvmint is taking my freedom to be a dumbass parent. Wah!!!" Well, too fooking bad!!!'
I'm in 100% agreement with this statement
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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You know one thing that sucks? All those free soloers falling on people, often purposefully.
In fact, climbing injuries that can be prevented by a helmet are a HUGE problem in our country.
We are the MOST destitute nation when it comes to climber fatalities and climbing murder. People climb and kill themselves and eachother at a rate EXPONENTIALLY higher than of similar developed nations.
After all these schoolchildren have been squished by stoned dudes soloing Royal Arches, I think its time. It's finally time to have a serious discussion about climbers not wearing helmets. It's affecting us ALL.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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I'm normally not the grammar Gestapo, especially on a thread! But, since you're going to hold everybody toreality and all, it seems appropriate to be nit-picky all up in the house.
Edit: And, btw, I do not agree that the typical drunk driver is acting purposefully. Purposely, yes. Purposefully, not in the vast majority of cases
Thank you, my grammer stands corrected.
BTW, if I was living "reality" to that degree, I would be a busy boy correcting Ron's and many others posts. Luckily I set my standards low enough to get the meat of their posts.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Still waiting for a link to an 8 y/o soloist death.
Ain't got one? Well, no sh#t.
'cause it doesn't happen.
Want a couple of links to 8 y/o Uzi deaths? No problema. Betcha there's more to be found, too.
It's a reality thing. Try to understand.
Edit: 'grammar'
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Then we agree, laws can prevent the loss of life otherwise maintained by stupidity.
Progress!
Sorry. Not so fast.
"Prevent" is far too sweeping. I'll agree that some reduction can be achieved, depending upon how "aggressive" you want to be about any particular issue.
And I agreed pretty thoroughly with HT's proposals upthread!
But some isolated cases like the subject-incident of this thread are going to happen.
I continue to maintain that misuses of guns by law-abiding citizens in this country are few and far between enough that the "reductions" resulting from laws and enforcement would be negligible compared to the risks and expenses of having yet another (failed) "war on" something.
Take suicides out of the statistics, and the majority of gun deaths are gangland and drug-crime related. Haven't we already been having a "war on" those things?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Most any liberty-tard knows damn well that an 8 y/o using an Uzi is just not ok. Of course, there's a few that actually believe it is ok...but they are thankfully a small, psychotic percentage (that should be medicated and watched closely).
So for those liberty-tards that know this isn't ok, they don't have any retort to a situation like this except to draw false equivalencies, and try to change the subject. Bottom line, as DMT pointed out yesterday, is that they are scared to death that any kind of gun regulation...even some they'd probably agree with...with result in the gubmint taking away all their precious gunz.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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+ numerical-infinity, Jonnyrig. That about sums it up. LOL
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