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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Aug 22, 2014 - 08:32am PT
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So just for fun, I think I'll interject a snide comment every now and then about the original intent of this thread being to REDUCE mass spewing about Christianity. and duck as my voice gets drowned out by the grenades getting lobbed over the walls.
You're good, we're bad. Got it. Christian morality.
Looks like the Christians are winning the mass spewing about Christianity contest, at least in number of words.
I don't want to perpetuate the very thing I'm trying to avoid with this offer
Then why haven't you deleted the thread? Too much fun? It's getting harder to accept that even you believe what you said.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 08:41am PT
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the fundamental basis of ethics (and faith, if present ) is deep evolutionary needs, not economics. economics os a symptom , not a root cause.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:10am PT
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I can't, for the life of me, figure out why the phrasing "mass spewing" didn't calm things right the f*#k down.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:15am PT
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"Situational Ethics: God's Word Situational Ethics, though it may be well meaning, is wrong. It is best not to transgress God's Law under any circumstance, regardless of your motive. God knows best and instituted His Law for a purpose. He has not given permission to any man to transgress His Law. If you will suffer because of keeping His Law, rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for so the Prophets suffered before you, and great is your reward in Heaven. If you can save a loved one from suffering by breaking God's Law, do not. For you are taking away their opportunity to persevere and receive blessings from God. Furthermore, you are breaking God's Law, bringing His displeasure upon yourself. To break God's eternal Law for a temporal concern is to focus upon things of this world and to ignore eternity. - See more at: http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/situational-ethics.htm#sthash.oTpkK6Hr.dpuf"
The Christian recipe for cruelty and masochism. Be an as#@&%e or no ice cream cone.
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timy
Sport climber
Durango
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:19am PT
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Even though I see this thread as a form of evangelism, it's been fascinating and civil.
Madbolter is quite the anomaly among Christians with his quite non-evangelical, non-political, and therefore (mostly) harmless belief. Tvash doing an excellent job pointing to the real consequences of fanaticism spilling into legislation and also highlighting all religion being blatant superstition. He's backed up by others, (Ken, Ed, Etc.). Then you have your believers throwing down scripture and saying "there you have it, fact" (!) And Werner, with his giant ego, stomping and telling everyone how stupid they are.
I have to say that I have witnessed the trauma that imposing religion on kids can cause. Indoctrination. Instilling terror for thinking normal thoughts, etc.
Also, the polarization of our politics and society at the hands of these divides is sickening.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:32am PT
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and so...damned...unnecessary.
This could be a much happier country without all this self-inflicted, religiously inspired cruelty and grief.
The very idea that humans are inherently dirty, dirty (sinful) creatures - in need of God for salvation, is f*#ked up. It's a formula for unhappiness and discontent, starting from birth, no less.
Does a non-religious person look at their newborn and think "dirty, sinful creature, in need of salvation?"
No.
If a Christian's child rejects religion, a Christian is REQUIRED to look at their child that way. A lost soul. Sinful. Doomed to death or perdition, depending on the choice of cult. The child's going to feel that disapproval, make no mistake about that. I know plenty of people - plenty - who grew up with and were damaged by that kind of rejection from the very people closest to them. I'm not talking about getting booted out of the house, either. I'm talking about a subtle, palpable, day to day disapproval of who their child really is. The damage that does to a person's ability to trust and love in a healthy manner is incalculable.
It's all good in Christian families if everyone tows the line. The minute there's a 'black sheep' - and this could just be a healthy child that simply doesn't buy the bullshit - watch out! It's a formula for some of the shittiest, most destructive parenting America has to offer.
F*#k such cruelty and the religions that promote it. Family is everything. Love - between real live people, not some mythical psychopath, is everything.
And here's a data point, Christians. I was just instructing for out annual Mountaineer's Adventure Club (age 12-20) week out of climbing. 20 awesome, engaging, spirited kids. # of Christians? Zero. General attitude towards the Christian view that homosexuality is a sin? Disgust.
Welcome to the future.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:49am PT
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Pa taught me, Choose your battles carefully. Yet I can't resist...
and so...damned...unnecessary... This could be a much happier country without all this self-inflicted, religiously inspired cruelty and grief.
Yet I'm sensing you don't feel the same way regarding Islam, that you're more in Ken's camp, or perhaps hddj's camp, regarding Islam.
For ref, Ken's apparent stance: Any criticism of Islam (after all, Islam's a religion of peace) or criticism of Muslims is out of bounds (after all, the conflict over there is not about religion but politics and poverty).
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:51am PT
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Doing brain surgery with a framing hammer again, I see.
Save it for the stupid.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:52am PT
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Elaborate. Seriously.
I want to understand you. Seriously.
If for no other reason nothing divides libs in America (and Europe as well, it seems) more than this issue. So it matters.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:53am PT
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No sane person would bank on belief only.
so there's a sh#t-ton of batshit crazy people in this world.
Got it!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:57am PT
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why would i want to spend eternity with one?
Without procreation there wouldn't be much future. Being homosexual seems rebellious against evolution and the progress of the species? Or maybe it's evolution's wat of halting some gene pools?
Regardless, i think when the door to eternity is opened and our minds freed, all sexuality will become passe.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 09:59am PT
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"Elaborate. Seriously.
I want to understand you. Seriously.
If for no other reason nothing divides libs more than this issue. So it matters."
It divides you, perhaps. It's a strawman in my world.
Violent as#@&%es suck. Totalitarianism sucks. Cruelty sucks.
Hardly controversial conclusions.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 10:04am PT
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"Without procreation there wouldn't be much future. Being homosexual seems rebellious against evolution and the progress of the species? Or maybe it's evolution's wat of halting some gene pools?
Regardless, i think when the door to eternity is opened and our minds freed, all sexuality will become passe."
1) Given a severely over populated biome, a reduction in procreation actually works to aid survival, not hurt it. Population dynamics 101. Ask a lemming.
2) Homosexuals can and do have children, Bubble Boy.
3) Homosexuality is well documented in over 1500 species, so apparently, its' not only natural, but doesn't adversely affect the survival of those species. Unless you believe that fruit flies are endangered, that is.
4) No sex in Heaven? An eternity with Christian eunuchs and ice queens. I'll take death, thanks. Seriously, f*#k that.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 22, 2014 - 10:07am PT
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Well, with all due respect, you're not being clear at all. We have a good sense of your stance re Christianity, what is it re Islam in general? and anything else.
For context, have you read the Koran? What's your take on its passages? and what's your take on how many Muslims around the world take it literally? and if this is detrimental and in what ways to progressive secular movements?
Here's your opportunity, speak to Islam.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 10:08am PT
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And I don't care, even if you do.
I focus on the society I live in and can do something about.
At a whopping 1% of the population, Islam simply isn't a real problem here.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 22, 2014 - 10:10am PT
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Well, that IS a reply.
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Okay, your adding to it. Anything more?
Okay, you're choosing your battles, too. I get that. Thanks for the reply.
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Still there's this...
"Doing brain surgery with a framing hammer again, I see.... Save it for the stupid."
So be it.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 22, 2014 - 10:18am PT
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3) Homosexuality is well documented in over 1500 species, so apparently, its' not only natural, but doesn't adversely affect the survival of those species. Unless you believe that fruit flies are endangered, that is.
Come on! The way we know it? I'd love to see ur proof here. You got vid of a couple fruit flys buttfukin and blowing each other just in order to feel some orgasmic pleasure, OR because they are in Love?
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Aug 22, 2014 - 10:19am PT
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Once again, an offer of a private conversation for those who want to know about Christianity gets hijacked into a public discussion of "religion," and a demonstration of ignorance
After creating 7 posts of mass spewing about Christianity in this thread, is this what we mean by moral relativism?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 22, 2014 - 10:35am PT
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Grab some coconut oil and knock yourself out, Blue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
Or kick your well-worn denial-of-science gland into gear again.
How do fruit flies feel during same sex mating? Now there's a paper waiting to be written.
Go nuts.
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