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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 13, 2014 - 08:50pm PT
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Greg, I'm Steve. Scott (micronut) is the other Christian dude...
EDIT: Tvash, I kinda agree with what you're saying. Kinda.
EDIT: We are all, as humans, in a constant state of physical, psychological and spiritual evolution . . . religion will one day be a dark period in our evolutionary record. That is if we survive the destruction wrought by our primitive consciousness.
Utter bullsh#t.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 13, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
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Yup, that was who I was referring to. Hi Steve! Actually I don't think I've heard your first name here before, but I've been less active (too much climbing)
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 13, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
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Tvash, I think you need to read the Book of Revelations with a open eye, and then hold onto your short and curlies, because its going to be a wild ride. Scoff but don't cough, because its also going to be painful.
Micronut, you da man, spreading joy and happiness one trip report at a time.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 13, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
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the idea that we 'deserve' 'eternal damnation' for the 'original sin' committed in the garden of eden by incestuous forebearers is the original dealbreaker. why read further?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 13, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
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I've read the Bible. I went to Catholic school for 8 years. I was a believer until age 19. I had a good experience, but in college I met people who wouldn't sacrifice intellectual honesty for the promise of eternal life. There are other philosophies and theologies that make more sense. There are few that make less sense to me, actually. And hey, how about some science? I like science.
Thanks anyway, though.
If I'm ever in the market for a punishment/end of the world cult, I'll call ya.
Dirty, dirty humans.
The Bluetooth-to-God on the end of your dick does sound kinda techno, I'll grant ya that.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
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Exactly.
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RP3
Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
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Here is my alternative to depression, anger, and emptiness:
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:13pm PT
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RP3, dogs are like God's little helpers. This is why they appear to be so loyal and caring for us, as much as we are for them.
Man's best friend....(and the ladies too).
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:13pm PT
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Who says you can only beat a dead horse so long?
I have yet to partake of drugs or weed, but if I do, reading the book of Revelations while high would be a must.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2014 - 09:17pm PT
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RP3 that photo is a fake. How can that dog dip into the chalkbag with shoes on his hands. Pffft.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:24pm PT
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"The Mormons may actually be catalysts for such reform. They have a robust mechanism for adapting doctrine to modern times."...
To me this is even worse than saying that the US Constitution is outdated and needs to be reformed.
Somethings, some of them, are just "written in stone", and should never be changed.
Besides, the Catholic church already underwent a Reformation, when is Islam going to do it?
They move first...
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RP3
Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
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Unfortunately we did not get any shots of him redpointing his proj...
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
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Islam isn't a US domestic problem. Christianity is.
It's understandable that Christians would be envious as the watch the Mormon church rapidly expand, even as their congregations implode.
It's not hard to determine why this is the case.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:44pm PT
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Islam isn't a US domestic problem. Christianity is.
It's understandable that Christians would be envious as the watch the Mormon church rapidly expand, even as their congregations implode.
It's not hard to determine why this is the case.
Islam is not a problem yet...I can point to incidents where it should raise concern.
Mormons are also not a problem. Love the guys I talk to all the time.
I find it somewhat troubling to see Christians not going to church, and I don't either, but your relishing in this fact seems even more disturbing to me.
You do not need to 'go to church' in order to worship God or Jesus. This is kinda the problem. People have lost faith in their churches, not God or Jesus Christ.
EDIT:
Depression is a real disease.
Praying won't fix it.
I suppose anti-depressants will fix it? Yeah, right....
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
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So let me give you a sense of what it is like to be me reading these posts...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf-U7EL6p_A
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Islam isn't a US domestic problem. Christianity is.
True enough (noting the qualifier in there) but the whole of Abrahamic religion, whatever its version, is a tangle of obstacles to further civilization. It needs to go.
"Imagine what it would be like to be among the 5% or 10% of people at most who recognize that the very belief... was a malignant fantasy." -Sam Harris
"Imagine (at 5%) what kind of criticism you're going to get."
I hear ya, Sam.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
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Go to Iraq and let the caliphate judge u
That's nice. Say no more, I've heard enough from you. Allan be praised, right?
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
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Tvash, yer crazy bro. But for some reason I am drawn to your posts like a moth to flame, like a dirtbag to a free cup of coffee.
The American "christian church" may be losing numbers, but I've always assumed that is mostly attributed to the marginal churchgoers no longer finding it socially beneficial nor worth the effort to stay involved in something they historically may have clung to for reasons other than a commitment to Christ and a desire to be in corporate worship with other believers. Those "numbers" were historically prone to overestimate the amount of true believers in a given area/church/demographic.
The secularization of the america and the world for that matter will simply focalize the remaining christians. No big deal. Just less marginal folks on the fringe in the coming years perhaps.
And who's counting anyway? The Gospel has prevailed for thousands of years in harsher climates and God hasn't changed since the beginning of time.
The "shrinking" of the Christian church would be expected in today's american social landscape if you ask me. Though in China, North and South Korea, Africa and other nations the underground church is growing in amazing ways. Makes sense if you ask me.
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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Aug 13, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
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I'm with Wade:
A B O M I N A B L E M I R R O R S
“In the beginning of his cosmology there was a spectral god, a deity as majestically devoid of origins as of name and face. This deity was an immutable god, but its image threw 9 shadows, these, condescending to action, endowed and ruled over a first heaven. From that first demiurgic crown came a second, with its own angels, powers, and thrones, and these in turn founded another, lower heaven, which was the the symmetrical duplicate of the first. The second conclave was reproduced in a third, and the third in another, lower conclave, and so on, to the number of 999. The lord of the nethermost heaven – the shadow of shadows of yet other shadows – is He who reigns over us, and His fraction of divinity tends to zero.”
“Mirrors and paternity are abominable because they multiply and affirm (a parody of a world which is an error). Revulsion...is the fundamental virtue, and the two rules of conduct (between which the prophets gave us to choose) : abstinence and utter licentiousness.”
“To those who deny the Word", runs an imprecation from the Rosa Secreta, “I vow a wondrous hell, for each person who denies it shall reign over 999 empires of fire, and in each empire shall be 999 mountains of fire, and upon each mountain shall be 999 towers of fire, and each tower shall have 999 stories of fire, and each story shall have 999 beds of fire, and in each bed that person shall be, each with its own face and voice, shall torture that person throughout eternity.”
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