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monolith
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SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
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The entire height of the tail need not slice thru the reinforced concrete, Jammer
44 feet is hanger height clearance. Subtract landing gear elevation.
That's it. You just disproved 911 from that pic. Congratulations, Jammer! Very convincing.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
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That is no passenger jet entry wound . . . c'mon folks.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
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Funny how the Kennedy assassination connects full circle to the 911 domestic terrorism act . . . wake up America! Heaven help the fool.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
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Come on, 911 was done by guys in caves - no circle there.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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The engines, the landing gear and the fuselage had the most mass, Jammer.
The wing between the engines and the fuselage is much more massive then the wingtips, or the tail, and has huge gas tanks, adding to the mass.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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What you are saying is if I pan my camera up the building while the building is moving down, the building will look like it was going the same speed as if I just took video of the building coming down while keeping my camera pointed straight ahead. Or if I followed the top of the building down with the camera, the top of the building would still accelerate away from the camera no matter how fast I moved it. Your crazy or stupid, or both.
Wasn't it you who claimed that employing ad hominem attacks proved that you had lost the argument? I'm pretty sure it was. Once again, unless moving the camera somehow alters the elapsed time it took for the top of WTC 7 to reach the ground, from the onset of the collapse (and it would not) camera movement is a moot point.
Curt
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
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What parallels do you refer to Randisi?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 23, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
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Curt, also, for the record, the ad hominen attack is what is being done when people try to say folks such as myself are "conspiracy theorists" who believe in idiotic sh#t like Ancient Aliens and think the moon landing was faked. It fits the definition to the letter, and as you infer it very much discredits whoever is perpetrating the ad hominen attack.
Oh, for Christ sakes. "Conspiracy theorists" is merely a descriptive term identifying people who believe in conspiracy theories--it's not ad hominem at all. I suppose the thing that bothers me most is that you can't even identify which Kennedy conspiracy you believe is correct. As I have posted before, all of them can't be correct. It's almost as though you believe that simply because there are so many Kennedy conspiracy theories out there, one of them must be correct.
Curt
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 23, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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An ad hominen attack is defined as a character attack intended to rebut facts.
No jammer. An ad hominem attack is a character attack in place of rebutting facts.
Curt
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 23, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
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Can you explain to the families of the crew and passengers of Flight 77, what happened to their loved ones ?
No, but they did not die at the Pentagon . . . you ever see any bodies being pulled from that Hollywood scene?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:01am PT
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No, but they did not die at the Pentagon . . . you ever see any bodies being pulled from that Hollywood scene?
You're seriously using that as an argument? They have yet to find even microscopic bits of DNA from over 1,100 people who died in the World Trade Center collapse. Does that mean they didn't die there? Seriously?
http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/victim-of-9-11-attacks-on-wtc-identified-1.6082613
Curt
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:03am PT
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there are so many Kennedy conspiracy theories out there, one of them must be correct.
If it's a conspiracy theory it's never really correct.
Only truth is correct and the truth is never a conspiracy theory.
What the warren commission and the media portray is non other than a cover up due to them being in sync.
The public is easily sent into the rabbit hole by the cover up teams excellent use of Goebbels consciousness.
Thus they remain as stupid Americans and always fall in line to the propaganda machine.
One of the main reasons they wanted to clamp down the internet.
Its one of the last defenses against the machine ironically .......
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:05am PT
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No, but they did not die at the Pentagon
What kind of idiot would waste a perfectly good captured weapon resource requiring disposal such as a passenger jet? (certainly not a brilliant military tactician that's for sure)
Yeah lets hijack a jet and execute all the folks on it.. then waste time and resources hiding it so well it's never been seen again. (except for all the debris on the lawn and in the structure at the pentagon lol)
Just so we can use a less effective weapon hard to obtain, requiring complex expensive fire control support and personel that must be accounted for somewhere.
People love thenmselves a conspiracy..They even love conspiracies about actual conspiracies (such as the conspiracy by alquaida to implement 911 (which is of course a textbook conspiracy)) so much that they pretty much will sh#t whatever little brains they have out their ass.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:14am PT
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What kind of idiot would waste a perfectly good weapon like a passenger jet?
Probably the same kind of idiot that would preemptively start a trillion dollar war against Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with the 911 conspiracy.
You are the one conjecturing the hypothetical "details".
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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A thoroughly documented criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt, his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to murder John Kennedy.
LOL what a farce. This attempt to use legal terminology is pathetic.
establishing beyond a reasonable doubt.. really?.. a prosecuter arguing against no one is considered a proper legal arena? No defense? Not argued in an authorized by the people court of law?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:19am PT
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Probably the same kind of idiot that would preemptively start a trillion dollar war against Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with the 911 conspiracy.
so you think they brilliantly went through all that trouble to create a double misdirect conspiracy .
falsley and intentionally making up a conspiracy about saudi's trained in afghanistan in order to start a war against Saddam?
Well gotta say.. that's uhm... stupid.
If I were them (the all powerful THEM that is)I would have at least added a couple Iraqi's to the mix. I'm not a brilliant guy really.. but even I only took a couple seconds to realize that if one want's to create a false flag incident one should probably use patsies connected to your intended target.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:22am PT
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"They" didn't brilliantly do anything . . . it is all a morass of lies and obfuscation. Whatever bro . . . this has nothing to do with you.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:23am PT
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of course this has nothing to do with me..it isn't real therefore it has nothing to do with anything lol. It is however at the moment amusing enough in my beer drinking state that I'm willing to make self amusing comments about it at your expense.
So what you are saying now is a bunch of incompetent morons pulled off one of the greatest double conspiracies in history and duped the whole world?
Well that makes a lot of sense.. uhmm.. ok not really.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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Who said anything about "incompetent morons" except you?
I never said anything about "double conspiracies" . . . you misconstrue my statements. Perhaps there is more truth in your rebuttal than my conjecture.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:30am PT
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"incompetent morons"
Dick Cheney was brilliant although evil.
Stupid Americans think everyone is as stupid as them .......
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