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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 29, 2015 - 11:46am PT
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Everything goes better with Bacon!
And I mean everything!
With one caveat: OW.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Apr 29, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
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Last time I looked in my mouth I had some sharp teeth. Hmmm.
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Poloman
Trad climber
Anna, Il
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Apr 29, 2015 - 04:38pm PT
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Eating meat isn't the problem.
Overpopulation is the real problem.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Apr 29, 2015 - 05:18pm PT
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Over population isn't the problem. Its too many rich f*#ks (westerners generally and increasingly Chinese) and too many old f*#ks (living waayyy too long) that is the problem. Eliminate those two groups and everything is cool. :)
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Apr 29, 2015 - 05:20pm PT
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Hell is other people.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Apr 29, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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^^ O'Really? ^^
Does this include me? ;)
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 29, 2015 - 05:52pm PT
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Give it up Pete. Anita is not going to show you her goodies.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Apr 29, 2015 - 11:43pm PT
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care to lead by example I used to make a big fat paycheck... and I would frequently argue with friends that if we really wanted to save the world we all needed to take a 90 percent cut in our standard of living. Well be careful what you wish for. Shortly there after I got booted and have been basically out of work for the last ten years and living on less than a grand a month. :) good news is there seems to be freedom at both ends of the econonic scale. lol
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Apr 30, 2015 - 07:40am PT
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You got the roles reversed, dirtbag.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
Bishop
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Today, with 7.1 billion humans, we are using more than half of Earth’s productivity and the other 30-million species survive on the left-over habitats. If human population reaches 11 billion, we will likely require about 80 percent, although such a scenario may not be biophysically possible.
http://ecowatch.com/2015/08/19/earth-facing-extinction-crisis/3/
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GuapoVino
climber
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I'm not sure I'm buying the fact that 80% of farm land is devoted to raising livestock. I grew up in three different very agricultural states. Nearly all of my relatives are farmers, my dad was a part time farmer when I was a kid and then was in agricultural finance until I was about 18. I'm just not seeing that 80% of the farm land is devoted to raising livestock. The only way that could be even possible is if you included all the multi-thousand acre mega ranches out west that are used to graze cattle but a lot of these areas really are not suited to grow any kind of crop profitably. Their only productive use is to allow cattle to graze them. Sometimes cattle will be allowed to graze wheat over the winter on farm land and then rotated back to not-really-farmable pasture land. In that case the land being grazed periodically may be counted twice, part of the year for grazing and the other growing season being utilized to grow a crop.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Yea! Where IS whitemeat. Didn't he talk about going to Mt. Hooker? I would love to see a TR from there...
Oh yea, on topic wise check out the video Forkes over Knives.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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there'll be a lot fewer hooves on the ground in my neighborhood by afternoon
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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GuapoVino,
I think it's possible that 80% of farmland is used for raising meat, if you define "famrland" to include grazing land. The OP (and various comments generally) ignore alternative uses and tastes (pun intended)
The assumption that the allocation of land reflects something other than "efficient use" (the OP's contention) goes hand-in-hand with the exclusion of other options and accounting for others' preferences. What is "efficiency?" In particular, how can anyone allege that a particular distribution is or is not "efficient" without accounting for the preferences of the distributees?
I'm afraid this topic, as in much of the reactionary left's world, represents a gigantic ego trip of people who think they know what other people really want, and resent the fact that the industrial revolution and markets allow those ignorant masses to self-select what their deluded minds think they want, rather than what the enlightened think they should want.
Then there's the idea that old people are part of the problem. How does one truly believe that without setting an arbitrary "use by" date for people, and showing their true belief by expiring on said date?
John
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Has anyone applied the “evolution” model yet? How would the theory of evolution answer the question?
The human mouth usually comes with 20 molars, 4 canine, and 8 incisors. The molars (62.5%) seem to be developed to grind (e.g., grains), the canine (12.5%) for ripping or tearing (meat), and the incisors (25%) for chopping (veggies). The canine teeth appear to be devolving. The intestines seem developed for long digestion (grains and veggies); meat in a body turns toxic fairly quickly.
Eat vegetables, and often.
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c wilmot
climber
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Cattle often eat grass that is naturally growing in the ground. all of the anti meat stats have been based on the assumption the animal is grain fed its entire life.
Also farm fields for veggies are completely devoid of any life other than the crop that is being grown. No native grasses, no wildlife, nothing.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Remind me a lot of My dad's buddy Carlsle's place over by Show Low.
Considerably smaller though. Maybe only 100,000 acres.
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