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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 22, 2013 - 09:35am PT
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You get to be bitchin like the sponsored athletes...For the right price you can be someone...Be all you can be...Dare to dream...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 22, 2013 - 09:42am PT
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And with a little luck you can grow up into a big, bad adult kangaroo.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Oct 22, 2013 - 10:03am PT
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lol @ sterling
they really seem to care
about selling ropes
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Trad Larry
Gym climber
Black Canyon, Colorado
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Oct 22, 2013 - 10:16am PT
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After browsing through these comments, I think it's clear to anyone slightly discerning that most of the "outrage" over the loss of this tree mostly (not completely) stems from a deep, ugly jealousy of Joe's life and talent. Maybe there was a moment of shock about the tree, but it quickly became not about the tree ... not at all. So transparent it breaks my heart, actually. You people don't think he deserves the life he has very much earned for himself (he's not a trustfunder as someone mentioned, in fact he's one of the hardest working professional climbers out there) and you want to try to tear that away from him ... why? One can only guess that it stems from some deeper dissatisfaction or discontent with yourselves. I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but I swear that your lives really will be better if you stop posting hateful, jealous, insane, judgmental, and often completely misinformed comments on the Internet about good people in the climbing community.
It won't happen right away ... but eventually, you might learn to like yourselves.
OK, enough preaching. over and out ...
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 22, 2013 - 10:18am PT
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good post Dave kos
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 22, 2013 - 10:21am PT
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hey "trad larry " you're not helping joe kindling out with your posts
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Oct 22, 2013 - 10:21am PT
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Tough situation.........A mistake to cut down the tree;.....pretty much everyone agrees with that one. Now what........
I guess Joe and Ethan can give everyone the finger and get on with it.
They tried to explain their mistake and say a heart-felt "I'm sorry.".....but many many people can, won't, don't want to buy into their apology....fair enough.
Personally, I like and appreciate when people fuk up and say they are sorry.....I like it a whole hell of alot better than when people fuk up and don't apologize for their mistakes.
Sometimes apologizes work;...sometimes they don't.....I still like to see them and respect the "sorry" part. If you don't acknowledge the apologize or respect the "I am sorry"......I think it encourages people to NOT apologize and say "sorry" in the future;...and just be cold hard-asses.......we have enough cold hard-asses in the world. I don't like the cut tree either;...but I do like the apology and the "sorry" thing;......always have, and always will....I like to hear it, I respect it when people do it, and I encourage people to do so when they f-up.......I try to do the same in my life when I screw up;...and when I do screw up;...I hope I have the sac to say "I'm sorry" and mean it....and I hope my friends accept my apologies..........it's a scary scary world to think that if and when we screw up....our apologizes don't, can't and won't work.........good luck to Joe and Ethan.........
(from earlier post that got deleated..)..
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Oct 22, 2013 - 10:31am PT
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Metolius will have a saw out next year.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 22, 2013 - 10:59am PT
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After browsing through these comments, I think it's clear to anyone slightly discerning that most of the "outrage" over the loss of this tree mostly (not completely) stems from a deep, ugly jealousy of Joe's life and talent.
Spot on. Throw in some good ol east side regionalism, a 'secret' crag the local yocals don't know a about, a bolted 14 suspiciously next to a crack...
...and you have blood in the water.
BURN the Witch!
oh AND he did Grand Illusion quickly, I hate that guy.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 22, 2013 - 11:26am PT
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Still crying because I am crying Ronski?
I in no way support his cutting the tree.
But he gave an apology. I believe it to be sincere. Story over.
Oh, unless you have an issue with jet-set sport-weeenies that climb 10xs harder (INCLUDING Trad!) than you ever will,
then yeah, screw that guy.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 22, 2013 - 11:49am PT
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What are these these LIES you speak of Rong?
Are these the same type of global warming LIES on MSNBC and CNN?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 22, 2013 - 11:58am PT
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Apologies riddled with self promotion aren't really apologies.
They could be if all you know and do in life is self promotion.
I am an as#@&%e. All I've ever done in my life is be an as#@&%e. When I apologize I come off as an as#@&%e. That doesn't invalidate my apology or make it any less sincere. It is just who I am and I'm fuking sorry. If you don't like it, fuk off. Sorry, I didn't mean that. GFYS... not You specifically, but You collectively, as in all of humanity. God I hate this planet... I wish they had dropped me off on the right one.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 22, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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Redirecting the subject much? I wonder who all these "supporters" really are. Is there really a group of pro climbers who support and condone this type of action and person? I wonder what Alex Honnold thinks of all this, he seems to be the only respectable pro climber in existence. I would guess it would be in their interest to protect their grindstones from being ripped away in cases like this, it would set a presidence, as the delicate arch debacle should have.
I don't know how the subject has turned on the people complaining and reacting but I happen to be one of them (I consider Tahoe my local area, I am pissed off, I like trad and I don't like the business of professional climbing). Is that such a crime? That's my personal opinion and philosophy, it is not an offense, he's the one who f'ed up, not me. None of those facts should take any weight away from my opinion, I am not acting out of jealously and it's offensive to listen to you accuse me of such.
If you want to defend him without defending his actions, just do so honestly, stop trying to discredit my opinions and those who share them, it's kind of offensive to hear someone try and speak for me or my stance, try listening instead. The sponsors will understand after they see the bottom line in a year or so. Supporting clowns like this should not be profitable and it should have never happened. This isn't about our reaction or how sever the punishment should be and yadda yadda...
The truth is this should have never happened, most local climbers are completely shocked! The real problem is a system and industry that creates people like this, situations like this and events like this. My opinion is broader than some hardman jealously or narrow minded ethic, if you do not understand it, don't speak for me. You can soul surf all day or ride pro in the comps, but there's always another wave, you can't go all pro on a rock face and expect the soul climbers who come after to praise your name...You are now a villain, not a superstar and you knew better the whole time you lying sack!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 22, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
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Gud post Squishy!
Just say NO to outdoor industry entitlement programs!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 22, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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"...you can't go all pro on a rock face and expect the soul climbers who come after to praise your name...You are now a villain, not a superstar and you knew better the whole time you lying sack!"
Hahahahahaha, now that's some funny sh#t.
entertaining yes, but truth as well.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Oct 22, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
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Bottom line. Chopping down a juniper is weak sauce.
There should be consequences, and he should lose sponsorships. Otherwise, what does it say about the industry's and community's ability to self regulate. Access issues aren't diminishing, and resources are finite.
Finally, maybe this isn't so much about who Joe Kinder is, but who he is not. It makes me appreciate (some) climbers (mostly) from previous generations. They weren't saints, but they had something relevant to say about obviously stupid things like chopping down very old trees, chiseling, bolting cracks etc. Any sponsorship associated with those behaviors is really distasteful.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Oct 22, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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I think Wes is spot on most of the time.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 22, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
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agreed, I am also pro-Wes, but then most on this site seem to dislike my posts as well.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 22, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
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So
Anyone up for cutting down el-cap tree with me this winter? After that we will ski in and retro bolt the BY..
Mebbe even piss on the midnight lightning bolt.
Ya know I just realized there is a tree growing a bit too close to ML.. Gots to go!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Oct 22, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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Squishy.... +1+1+1...
You can count me in with the other "Pissed Off Climbers" who want blood.
I may not be able to send 5.13b ....but my opinion matters to me.
I recall this topic.... http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1772094/Joshua-Tree-Ethics
What these PRO climbers did is simply not acceptable. I will continue to monitor this BS and will make all of my future gear purchases based upon just what the $pon$ors of these professionals do.
Sterling Ropes ..... never again!
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