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Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
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Crankster,
Ease off the throttle dude, you are gonna get bounced from here for not playing nicely. Issues?
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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What evidence is there that Matt would choose to disappear? You are an idiot.
Ever heard of dissociative fugue? Not saying that is the answer here, but a possibility and could have been in Werner's story.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Inner, Brandon..this is not a thread about offering compassion to a grieving family. I want them to find their loved one. It is about a search for a person missing for 21 days without overnight gear in the High Sierra. Rather than analyzing me, why not offer some theories on Matt's whereabouts instead?
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Nutria
Trad climber
BishopCA
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If you summit any peak located in the general area between Tom's Place and Lee Vining, please carefully examine the summit register for Matt Greene's name on the dates of 15-19 July 2013. Remember that summit registers can be disorganized, and several log books may be present. Note that we want to hear from you whether or not you see his name; the absence of his name on a given peak is useful also.
Please report your results to Mono County Sheriff Search and Rescue Team at MosarOps@gmail.com. If you don't have email access, then please leave a phone message at: 760-566-6727.
Please print this page and take it with you as a reference for the dates and email address.
Thank you for your assistance,
Mono County Sheriff Search and Rescue Team
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John M
climber
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this is not a thread about offering compassion to a grieving family.
you have a poor understanding of what a family goes through when someone they love goes missing. Everything and anything is read and they don't separate out. which thread is which. Oh.. this is the thread for grieving family members. I will stay here. I wont read that other thread. Bull.. It doesn't work that way.
I agree that most people with a friend or family member missing want the truth. They thing is, that the truth can be delivered compassionately, or it can be delivered heartlessly. And even when they ask for the truth, that doesn't always mean they want it bluntly or even at that moment. I have had to deliver bad news about a young man who died in an auto accident. If you have any imagination at all or experience with these kinds of situations, then you know that there are facts that you give, and facts that you don't give, even when the family says they want all of the facts. There are just things people don't need to know. Things that I wish I didn't know.
There are plenty of stories of people surviving long periods with very little. If he injured himself and could get to water, then he could last a very long time.
So your defense of your attitude as being one of giving the family the truth is only part of the story.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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This is now a thread about searching for crankster's lost humanity instead of this poor Matt fellow. Throw your ego tantrums elsewhere, dude.
TeddyKGBee- Keep posting up. We are eager to hear about any progress and still hopeful for your buddy. Seems like a lot of helpful information has been posted already. Makes me feel lucky thinking of the sketchy things I did in Tuolumne without telling anyone where I was going.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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More analysis, no information. You have a poor understanding of the point of this thread, John.
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John M
climber
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More analysis, no information. You have a poor understanding of the point of this thread, John.
The point is to find this young man. Your posts take away hope. Hope is an important tool in motivating people to try. So my disagreeing with you is exactly to the point, whereas yours are not.
Plus you also fail again to understand that just because the thread has one title, doesn't mean that family members are able to separate the various issues.
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Wolfie
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes
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Lori Fairchild said something interesting....
"I am not familiar with the area so what is the likelihood of this gentleman's story:
I may have seen him in Minden Nevada yesterday Tues Aug 6th? While putting gas in my car this guy that looked to be homeless was walking by with a backpack. I didn't pay much attention to him until I read the story in the Record Courier (our local paper). He was walking north about 10:45 and we are about 120 miles north of Mammoth. I am a retired Police Sergeant and currently volunteer with the Douglas Co. Search & Rescue. I have called and left a message for the Det. working the case.
Gary Marshall"
**Minden is not out of the question...someone should look into this.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Crankster- you should READ what John M had to say about what family members go through when someone goes missing.
My father disapeared when I was only 5 months old in a plane incident. He was a bush pilot in Alaska so this was not uncommon. Friends of the family and fellow pilots kept looking for a very long time.
I am now 45 years old and I still think that maybe ther is a chance he is out there on a remote island somewhere livin off the land. It has had me wondering all these years and it is very emotional at times. My hands shake just typing this.
So you may think you are delivering the family some hard truth, but the fact is that they have already started to accept the truth, but the hope will still be there for a lot longer than you realize. You are adding nothing of value for the ones involved at this time.
JUst some feedback from someone who has lived with this their entire life.
Hoping for the best in this situation and to all the family and friends of Matt's.
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Wolfie
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes
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Has anyone been checking bank statements...ATM use etc. Did he take his wallet?
Did he use the Mammoth Lakes library computers...or his own? Has anyone checked the "History" of searches Google maps/Earth,topos, climbing/mountaineering forums to gather info of potential objectives?
I keep hoping for the best outcome...I think of the time I went climbing/mountaineering in the Himalayas in '94 (19 yrs old). Prior to internet, cell phones etc. I contacted friends prior to going in...but I decided to stay longer in the mountains than my previous objective, due to many factors (stayed over a month with no communication to outside world). I came back to Kathmandu with pictures, flyers, phone calls from Embassies. I did not realize I was "Missing". I keep this in mind as I hope for the best outcome.
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Nutria
Trad climber
BishopCA
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Ron Anderson: Nutria, have you contacted the Douglas county Sheriffs office about the possible sighting in Minden NV? That could be advisable.
Although we posted the summit register request, SAR volunteers are not permitted to discuss ongoing missions in any public fashion. We are instead required to direct inquiries to the Mono County Sheriffs Office, as we work under their direction.
760-932-7549 x7 (ask for SAR coordinator or secondarily the Watch Commander)
sar@monosheriff.org
Sorry that we cannot provide a direct answer to these sorts of questions. We understand that this is frustrating.
Mono County SAR
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Let's hope for the best.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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crankster you should stop to post on this tread....
you already said everything
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TeddyKGBee
Trad climber
Chester Springs
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
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Again- thank you all.
First, let me address the long chain of discussion about the delivery of information or "hard truths" that are being discussed. As a friend, yes, the emotional side of this is a reality and there is nothing that I haven't thought about or been concerned with from the moment I got the first call from the Sheriff's Department. If you post something that is upsetting, the reality is that I have already thought about it, so I just scroll down and move on.
Also, as a friend, I have hope and I know that if odds are to be challenged, I would put all of my chips on Matt. That's just the way it is. As a fellow climber, I know the dangers and hazards out there. I also know that at this point, what we need more than anything else is information. That information may or may not exist, but without looking for it, we will never know.
I understand that this is a climbing forum, but hundreds of Matt's friends and family members looking for information on Matt are looking everywhere they can, which may lead them to this forum. I am not suggesting that information be non-factual, but I will say that the dozens of posts embodying hope do not go unread and serve a very important role for me and many others. Hope is what keeps news stories get out there. Hope is what keeps people talking about this. Hope is what gives others the strength to not give up no matter what the odds may be. Hope is what we have when so much other information is missing.
I realize that it's impossible to fill all of you in on the details of this search, but please know that every possible lead on here and posted elsewhere is being investigated. Aside from the backcountry search, Matt's credit cards and other links to his whereabouts are constantly being monitored. Every person that may have seen Matt, that we know about, has been or is being contacted (wilderness permit holders, shuttle drivers, etc). This is all happening while we continue to search for more info.
A group is heading out from the east to search in person. All of the potential leads, ideas, or possible locations have been compiled from this and other forums and is in their hands. Further search of his gear, guide book, car, etc will all be done when they get there. This is in addition to the massive amount of work that the Sheriff's Dept and SAR already did. If individuals are interested in tagging along and helping out, please let me know and I'll connect you with these efforts.
Each night, friends and family of Matt have been placing candles in their west facing windows lighting the way home for Matt. That is an example of hope in action. The power of this stretches far beyond people sitting around and wanting to hear a positive outcome. It has created the momentum to create national media attention, raise necessary funds, fill empty seats on planes heading out west to look for Matt, continue the sharing of information, and show that the good in humanity is not lost. Matt would be the first one to be hopeful for me and keep pushing against the odds, so I and many others have no choice but to do the same for him.
Thank you,
Tom
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Ron, good and thanks. I was just going to see if one of us should forward that info to them.
You've all heard the saying "still waters run deep". Although Matthew may not have seemed depressed or otherwise likely to "disappear" or do something rash he is described as the quiet type. No one really knows what is/was going on with his mindset and the possibility is still there that he purposefully "dissappeared". It's one of several things that could have happened. Smart to be pragmatic and to look at all options, the negative and the positive in order to find him.
We post and we offer suggestions (vs. facts we unfortunately don't have) because we all have different perspectives and experiences and ideas, all or none of which could help. I wish this thread and the news of his going missing had come to our community sooner. Teddy please keep us up to date.
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TeddyKGBee
Trad climber
Chester Springs
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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Thank you, Ron. I was told that it was reported to Mono County, but glad to hear that it has been pushed to the local authorities. Very much appreciated.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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When I read earlier in the forum about Matt making a post the night before he went missing, about "Water intoxication"
Endurance sports
Marathon runners are susceptible to water intoxication if they drink too much while running. This is caused when sodium levels drop below 135 mmol/L when athletes consume large amounts of fluid. This has been noted to be the result of the encouragement of excessive fluid replacement by various guidelines. This is largely been identified in marathon runners as a dilutional hyponatremia.[5] Medical personnel at marathon events are trained to suspect water intoxication immediately when runners collapse or show signs of confusion.
Dose anyone know if people are out for a long time and just let their body be depleted of water, if they can just, run away without even knowing why?
Maybe possible heat stroke?
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