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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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well Philo where is the traffic report?
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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hey Philo I see Hank in your photo's. You seem to pompous to be friends with Hank. I bet Hank would not want a hostel here if he still lived here.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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my investment panties are too small for the Post Office Bulding I just like me some trailers
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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How should I know where the traffic report is. Try asking the Eldo Water Gang. They have commisioned a few studies I am sure. And what is worse, what would cause greater congestion, climbers in a location conducive to walking into the park or ones who have to drive back and forth every time?
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steve shea
climber
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Pitbull you do not have to be a member of the AAC to stay at Climbers Ranch it is/was open all. As matter of fact you do not even have to climb. It is just that it is only promoted through the AAC. It is under the radar only climbers for the most part know about it but it is/was open to all if there was room. I've stayed there many times and never have been an AAC member.
Phil's right about the sewer and property values. Mana from heaven, free money. We just got off septic here on the westbank of the Snake River.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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And you expect to get 325K for a rat hole trailer? Aren't you glad ES real estate values have grown exponentially?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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My take on it...most hostels (maybe 75-100) I have stayed at are pretty cool...the tone is set by the owners. Most people who use hostels don't have cars.
I think Eldorado Springs, like Eldo is overrated and over-hyped.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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I seem pompous? Really?
Who knew lol.
Well Pittbull not that it matters but I've known Hank since he was an obscure 15 year old.
But I have known Eldo much, much longer.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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So how much money is the AAC prepared to lose?
In other words, how much is a bed planned to be rented for in the hostel?
It would be hypocritical of philo to want to ban high capacity magazines but promote a high capacity dirtbag refuge. Gotta wonder how long he's known the delete button.
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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I think Eldorado Springs, like Eldo is overrated and over-hyped.
Now those Mr. D'Antonio are fighting words. (The part about Eldo.) :-) Just kidding, I don't want to fight you, but how can you say that about Eldo?
Philo makes a good point about the location of the proposed climbers' hostel. If the AAC set a policy that everyone staying in the hostel absolutely must walk to the canyon, you wouldn't even know the difference, at least during the day. And surely it is close enough to the entrance of town that most residents would never even notice the comings and goings. If the management of the hostel is as on-the-ball as they are at the Grand Teton Climbers' Ranch, they could probably nip any nighttime noise in the bud.
It seems reasonable to expect the AAC to pay for any sewage related issues.
Pitbull, I'm mostly on your side but I think if you are not open to listening, you hurt your cause.
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Janet Robinson
climber
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Penn Burris has not apologized, Phil Powers has attempted to.
Non profit or not, is it ok to hemorrhage donors money?
With money comes responsibility.
I can guarantee 100 % I have absolutely no interest in purchasing this building , I am also not savvy enough to get anyone to donate a million for my cause.
My agenda is clear, this is not a good fit for visiting climbers or residents. I'd like to nip this in the bud before it turns any uglier.
The Eldo residents will not let this proceed without a fight, I hate to see residents resent climbers, I have friends on both sides.
I suggest that anyone for this proposal come on out with a survey in hand and see for yourself what we are discussing, you'll have to do this from the road since it's surrounded by private property on 3 sides with the road on the other.
This proposal would require the LID to increase sewer capacity, a cost which would be the responsibility of ALL homeowners.
It' is highly unlikely that 22 people will ever sleep legally in this building, not because the AAC is listening to the residents concerns ( see Penn's letter) but because it is located in a Wildfire 1 zone /high risk area which has even stricter than normal building codes.
This in combination with having the building sit on the lot lines on 2 sides severely limits any chance of a permit, whether you have a million dollars or not.
The noble thing would be for the AAC to find an alternative location.
If you read the sensible posts this seems to be the consensus also.
Thanks All. Janet Robinson.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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What's Mountain Project?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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It would be hypocritical of philo to want to ban high capacity magazines but promote a high capacity dirtbag refuge. Gotta wonder how long he's known the delete button.
WTF?
Can you say non-sequitur?
It would be hypocritical of Toker Villian to promote high capacity magazines but want to ban kale flavored smoothies.
Again I ask WTF dude?
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Build it., then I'll put a pizza/beer hall within walking distance. It'll be a license to print money. This must be a town of inbred fools.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Build it., then I'll put a pizza/beer hall within walking distance. It'll be a license to print money. This must be a town of inbred fools.
I laughed, but can you put a price on being smug?
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Decko
Trad climber
Colorado
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THANK YOU RILEY.......
Cheers To one of the only groups of people around the world that you can leave your belongings at the bottom of a cliff and not worry about it.
The same group you can meet afterwards for a beverage and share similar tales.....
Pitbull for sure comes off as an ass and most likely not. A climber...
I've travelled and climbed on 6 of the 7 continents and consistently I've found climbers to be the best of people.....
Unlike this spraying as#@&%e Pitbull.......
This person is the 10% that people complain about
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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but promote a high capacity dirtbag refuge
gee, and I was thinking about visiting Eldo one of these days... while I play a dirtbag climber on the weekends, I'm just a simple physicist during the week. Doesn't sound like I'd be very welcome by the locals.
The climbers' lodges I've stayed at are usually filled with climbers who are there to climb, not to rape and pillage the locals, or even to party very much. When I climbed at the 'Gunks in the 80s and 90s I always thought it was a travesty that there weren't some accommodations somewhere... but in that region the land had pretty much been all purchased by the mid 1800s.
The Climber's Ranch in the Tetons is a fantastic place for climbers and run rather well, in my opinion, by the AAC. It's great to see that the AAC is expanding climbing lodges to other places. Contrary to the characterizations, this is not an "elitist" activity, not like the elitism of the AAC of the distant past when it really did seem like an alumni club of the Ivy League schools, it's trying to find a way to expand access to some of the great climbing areas of the country for all of its members.
In a region where there is no public land available, private land purchases are the only way to create such a place... all it takes is a buyer and a seller and as long as the regulations are met it would seem that that is all that's required.
I don't have enough information to tell if this property would suit the AAC's plans, but I doubt they'd be looking at it if it wouldn't work for their purposes. I can certainly see that some town people may not wish to have the AAC as a neighbor, but there is nothing restricting the AAC from buying the property. As for the characterization of climbers as being a loud and unruly gang that will disrupt the small town? I think that's a bit over the top... I don't doubt that the local law enforcement wouldn't be called if things are noisy after hours.
It seems that the local townspeople just don't want climbers staying in their community, and their willing to be vociferous in their opposition. But Eldorado Canyon isn't going to go away as a climbing destination, climbers will continue to visit, and I hope that the AAC will figure out some way to provide lodging for climbers near by.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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TO NED HEAD GOAT MAN AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO READ IT..THE COMMENT I AM SO SORRY AND I APOLOGIZE. SOME OF MY COMMENTS WERE DISRESPECTFUL AND IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Ed Hartouni the voice of reason.
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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What Ed said. If they can work out the parking situation.
Mal
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