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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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They will pay the same taxes as you.
If I were gay and married to a dude, that wouldn't be true.
That was the whole premise of DOMA going to the Supreme Court.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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JL, I would not bet my life on anything without knowing at least a guess about the odds of winning or losing. The idea of voting when someone else knows the truth but won't tell me is sort of stupid. I would vote to kill that guy instead.
Dave
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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And you found your peace Blue. That's fine.
Don't tread on other people's peace. If being a man, in love with another is what makes someone most happy, let them.
If two women want to raise a child, let them. I know one who was raised his who life with two mothers, he's fine, for the most part.
I know another who I was really close friends with who's mom would sleep around with any dude that paid attention to her, but when she decided to go lesbian, she committed to one partner, and they've been together ever since. That child, my friend, isn't damaged by the gay.
They will pay the same taxes as you.
If I were gay and married to a dude, that wouldn't be true.
That was the whole premise of DOMA going to the Supreme Court.
DOMA was ruled unconstitutional.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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If I were gay and married to a dude, that wouldn't be true.
Can you elaborate? I assumed that a married gay couple would get the same stupid marriage tax penalty that I get being married to a person of the opposite sex.
Do current civil unions not cause people to have a tax penalty? I think that there is discrimination against straights inf that is true.
Stupid tax laws. Someone always pays less than me.
Dave
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
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To the best of my knowledge, the DOMA suit was brought by a woman who had to pay $300k +- in estate taxes when her spouse died. She was legally married in NY State, but since the Federal Government didn't acknowledge her marriage, she was subject to federal estate laws as a single woman.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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that is correct
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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To the best of my knowledge, the DOMA suit was brought by a woman who had to pay $300k +- in estate taxes when her spouse died. She was legally married in NY State, but since the Federal Government didn't acknowledge her marriage, she was subject to federal estate laws as a single woman.
And now she's gonna be back to baller status.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
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Nope. The change of legality isn't retroactive. Again, to the best of my knowledge.
I'd be stoked if I were wrong, but I don't think I am.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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You get a tax penalty for being married? Can't wait to tell the gf!
bluebawler, sounds like you had some difficult and confusing times in your past. I'm glad you (think) you have found something that makes sense and fills that hole, even if it is the 5000 year old silly jibberish of desert wanderers.
There is plenty of evidence pointing to Jesus being gay.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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JL, I would not bet my life on anything without knowing at least a guess about the odds of winning or losing.
That's not the bet. You want a sure outcome, whereas the game is to go entirely based on what you feel is true. Knowing the odds is cheating, and if you have to shoot the betmaker, you're simply not one of strong convictions, but like to play the safe odds. Pretty normal, really.
And it's not about being wrong or right per the nature or nurture question, it's about finding out what is true, if there is such an answer.
My sense of this is, based on being around scands of gay folk in the lit and entertainment field, is that a genuine fruit is born that way. That's what they all say. Or what I've heard in passing, anyhow. A bisexual, often mistrusted by gay people, is commonly viewed as a kind of any-port-in-a-storm fencde sitter. But these are wrinkles I am only slightly knowledgable about. Never studied it.
But it does make me curious just how correct folks are who swear gays simply decide their orientation - saying this is a meaningless question in no wise makes the question go away. That's magical thinking. I don't know a single gay person who has ever said thy choose to be gay, given the rejection and shame. But again, I'm no kind of expert. Just guessing like most everyone else.
JL
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sounds like another good reason to get rid of the estate tax.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Hankster, it WAS a non-issue (as far as I know) UNTIL the bible thumping homophobes started pushing sh#t like DOMA and Prop 8.
You mean death tax Chaz.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Hank, it sure ought to be a non-issue. But just think back to the last election campaign when the then-frontrunner for her party's nomination said that gay marriage was the most important issue facing the country.
How do you even begin to have a rational conversation with someone like that?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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when the then-frontrunner for her party's nomination said that gay marriage was the most important issue facing the country.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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I'd hit that ^
I have a thing for crazy bitches.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Largo said My sense of this is, based on being around scands of gay folk in the lit and entertainment field, is that a genuine fruit is born that way. That's what they all say. Or what I've heard in passing, anyhow. A bisexual, often mistrusted by gay people, is commonly viewed as a kind of any-port-in-a-storm fencde sitter. But these are wrinkles I am only slightly knowledgable about. Never studied it.
I think that viewpoint is a bit antiquated. The LGBT community refers to itself as such because it is embracing all 4. They are saying that gender identity and sexual attraction are varied and acceptable.
I'd hit that ^
I have a thing for crazy bitches.
Probably want to take it easy on the misogyny in the anti-gaysogyny thread.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Number 1 I didnt choose my sexual interests. They kinda snuck up on me and I just started chasing girls around the playground and being a nuisance. Later on in my teens I got so damn horney all the time I'd screw a hole in the wall.. yeah I tried it..and a whole lot of other things. American pie and all that shizz.. lol
If I'm hungry I'm hungry. I didn't choose to be hungry.
Some things are beyond choice. I see no reason to doubt a person saying their interests are not choice. How much is nature how much is nurture... probably about as much as the hairstyle I happen to prefer. Just guessin.. I know what I like but why I like it seems hardwired mostly with MINOR adjustment based on exposure. If I'm hungry my preference for steak or turkey may be choice or nurture.. but the fact that I'm not interested in Dirt seems hardwired. Apparently I don't have much earthworm DNA.
However as a male Human being I do have over half the set of Female Human DNA. It does not strike me as odd that some percentage humans have the opposite sexes sexual appetites.
Now for the actual important part.
Folks have a right to do whatever the f*#k they want if it ain't hurting no one and it is consensual. Choice no choice.. who gives a damn. GOD? Perhaps but that's his business and I ain't here pretending to speak for the king.. let him speak for himself.
In the USA where it is illegal to impose any religious belief on another person....No one has a right to more privileges than anyone else.
If any law says otherwise that law is wrong.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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^^^^^
Bingo!
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Josh Nash
Social climber
riverbank ca
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I'm surprised the polygamists aren't thrilled with this ruling. Muslims and Mormons now have the legal footing to marry as many wives as they want.
Here's my concern with the law. How long until there are lawsuits that force churches who don't condone same sex marriage to marry gay couples? That's going to happen. To me that seems just as wrong as not allowing any legal rights to couples that have spent a life time together.
I'm a Christian in a secular society. I believe that every single one of us has iniquities. Every single one of us has a tough road. It's not my place to judge. The life you lead has consequences no matter what. I just want to be kind, understanding, empathetic. To show the love of God through my life and not my judging, accusing, loud mouth proselytizing. Did Jesus really concern himself with what policies Rome was enacting? On a tangent the only time in the bible that the big j-man got angry was at the money changers. Did he get mad at the prostitute? Did he get mad at the faithful doubters? Did he get mad at the adulterer? Did he even get mad at the one who sold him out for money in hand? No. He got livid at the people turning a profit in the temple.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sorry if someone was offended by my use of the word, Fruit. The gays I've been around at work have the richest vocabulary for gay stuff and it's hilarious to hear, from Sissy Bars to Nancy Boys and Fruits to (fill in the gaps). Seems to take the curse off the whole thing when humor's attached, but tastes differ.
JL
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