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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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It seems like common sense that you wouldn't post nudity on this site... huh, Chris?
I bet half the crap wouldn't get posted if the users weren't anonymous. It's a lot easier when you don't have to stand up and be accountable for your actions.
Like TMJesse mentioned, I was browsing the ST forum when I worked at Patagonia, during a slow spell. Some full on nudity popped up on my screen and I got SOOO embarrassed. Especially, since I sat in the middle of the room and everyone could see my computer screen. I was not only embarrassed for myself, but for all climbers that post here and especially for the ones posting nudity.
Guess what? I never went to this forum again... while at work.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I promise to never even think of posting a boob shot if you all quit yer bellyaching
seems fair
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McCfly
climber
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Coz:
Regardless of topic you come across pretty darn conservative leaning strongly in the direction of if not heavily in the direction of republican type views and agenda.
Not saying anything other that calling it as I see it. Nothing wrong either way liberal conservative, I suppose even some staunch conservatives are good people just with imop f*#ked up views and moral code regarding the obvious topics of contention. Many conservatives I have met are pretty harmless leading productive lives not hurting anyone other than voting on or against issues that imop do hurt people. Other than that though it is not like all conservatives are evil monsters. With that said I am sure conservatives feel exactly the same way about my hippy dippy liberal views and those that share my ubber liberal perspective.
The beauty of it all is we are all entitled a opinion and voice of our own.
On the topic of nudity on a public forum i clearly get that it is not appropriate for young children to views some of the material posted on SP in the context it is being posted. Kiddy porn though hardly!
Regardless of how i feel it is clearly the right of the site owner to make these decisions for us. On the other hand i do think that with what we know of the internet as adults and most of us here are adults it is a parents responsibility to monitor what their children are viewing online.
As for adults at work well get off the forums on company time and get to work. Seems pretty simple to me that if you know a web site has the chance of having content that is not appropriate for viewing at work than don't freaking log on! Shouldn't be f*#king around at work anyhow.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I believe exploiting animals is one of the lowest forms of humanity.
That's why beating a dead one is so upsetting to me.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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John, thanks' for setting me straight, and my post is not bellyaching, I'm just tryin to do my part to correct this injustice.
this seems like a dead issue. do you think anyone's losing sleep over the absence of a boob thread? ridiculous
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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As for adults at work well get off the forums on company time and get to work. Seems pretty simple to me that if you know a web site has the chance of having content that is not appropriate for viewing at work than don't freaking log on! Shouldn't be f*#king around at work anyhow.
I knew THAT was coming. I have a very high work ethic and it took me a long time to browse the internet on company time. The fact was, my job was to answer online questions in a chat window about Patagonia products. When it was slow we didn't have anything to do. So, a lot of the times I would try and find ways to be productive and benefit the company, at the same time... like gear reviews, promoting sales, etc.
Other times it was just so slow we would literally sit for 15-20 minutes without anything to do. It was pretty standard for us to share links and our passion for the outdoors with coworkers, at these times.
I love climbing and enjoy most posters here, even if I don't agree with them 100%, with everything.
Is it too much to ask to want to go to a climbing site and read climbing material?
I'm pretty good at weeding the crap out. But, Chris asked that certain material not be posted. I think we should respect his wishes.
Enough said.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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What kinduh a Pirate arrrrr ya?
meant as humor.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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One that has a wench with a REAL set of boobies, ha ha.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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It's usually the best way to go.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I said usually
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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Is this actually a climbing forum populated by adult men and women who are upset that they can't post pictures of nude women? Are you kidding me?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I'm Only an adult on the outside.
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McCfly
climber
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I don't care either way. After a day out climbing or in the case of today a 1.5 hr hot yoga class, a 2 mile swim followed by cutting the lawn and cleaning the gutters I tend to still have a couple hours in the day to kill. Being most days i tend to check the site at least once it does not take long to rummage through the newest content. Once that is done screwing around seems like a good idea and can be quite entertaining. Clearly i am not alone in this.
I can take or leave the boob thread really as i think most can. Those of us that like to shoot the crack and make nonsense jokes to pass the time will find a way regardless of topic or content. It is just our nature boobs or no boobs we are just a bunch of boobs.
Kinda on topic but off topic. Growing up one of my best friends nickname was Booby. Can anyone guess why? Of course you can. He was very overweight and clearly had a huge set of man boobies. I imagine many these days and on this forum would take issue with such blatant hazing and bullying. Kinda a shame as Booby really liked being called Booby. As we grew up and had to get jobs so forth and so on it was not to his liking to be called John as everyone friends and family had called him Boob his whole life through. And yes he liked it and no it did no stigmatise him.
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LongAgo
Trad climber
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Jun 12, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
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Lessons from Other Forums
The Bigger Picture
This thread is mostly dealing with nudity on Supertopo but of course as some posters have noted, the issue is only one among several which may offend the young, medium or old, male or female of whatever ethnicity or political persuasion. Perhaps a bigger issue worth addressing is how do other forums deal with respect and offense? After all, nudity is but one of many issues forum sponsors may have to address. Others include excessive commercial pumping, name calling, profanity, unwelcome sexual advances via private connections between forum members to name just a few. Chris M. is hardly alone in trying to tame things by stating his concern and policy. What can we and he learn from how what offends is handled elsewhere?
Water Cooler Example
Perhaps some posters here belong to other forums and have their own thoughts on pros and cons of methods for handling potentially offensive posting. Here’s my example: I belong to a writer’s site called Water Cooler. It’s a forum which has to be very sensitive to what is said and how since the subject itself is expression in all its forms, covering hot button political issues, personal revelations ranging from the noble to base, and sexuality in all its stripes in a section or board termed “erotica.” WC sets out rules of the road and has several forum moderators who act on the rules, quite a bit beyond what one experiences on Supertopo. To use Rich Goldstone’s analogy on this thread, the house owner doesn’t just put a notice on the door alerting people to the no shoes request, but can eject violators. Here is the explicit warning on Water Cooler:
“… abuse or disrespect of any member via private message or rep point comment isn't tolerated, and if reported or discovered, will result in administrative intervention -- which may range from disabling your access to those particular features, and /or banning.” Wow, a bit more than a nicely worded request.
The explanation for this action uses another in-my-house analogy:
“Try to look at it like this: Say you went to a huge yard party, and some of the guests were single, and a bunch of them were friends, but a bunch more were total strangers, and some guests were married, and some brought kids --BUT a few people got a bit wild and thought it would be fun to take off all their clothes and dance on the furniture, and the host said, ‘err, hang on, folks. Not that kind of party, so please put your pants back on; in the meantime, does anyone want to volunteer to run the grill?’ That's what we have mods and admin for.”
Here’s how Water Cooler handles when two or more just can’t get along:
“If it happens that there's someone you just cannot get along with, and your blood pressure rises every time you see them post -- then use the ignore function. You can find the ignore feature in your User CP (User Control Panel), at the top left, in the dark blue menu bar. “
And on flame wars:
“There is little to no tolerance for people who start cursing each other out and essentially starting a flame war in chat. Want to get kicked out in a hurry? Yup, you gotcha. “
Then there is guidance about engaging forum moderators when they get on you:
“You may encounter some Ops who are more lenient than others on what they consider disrespectful and what they permit. C'est la vie. Get used to it. DON'T be disrespectful to them when they ask you to not do something by arguing. Ask for clarification, but don't argue. And for the love of whoever, don't be sarcastic, hyperbolic or snarky to the op when they ask you to stop doing something. That WILL get you kicked out for being disrespectful.”
Too Controlling?
We all certainly enjoy the freewheeling nature of Supertopo and might think it would be too controlling if it came closer to Water Cooler. Interestingly, control at WC doesn’t restrict a lot of what one might think would be restricted. For example, with respect to “forbidden words” here is the policy:
“ON LANGUAGE - You might notice that this board doesn't currently out curse words. That's deliberate. This is a writer's board; we certainly should each have the minimal control necessary over our own language to know how civilized adults speak in public. We strongly urge you to use that knowledge and control. Different rooms may have a different tolerance level for salty language. If in doubt, choose a different word. Otherwise, prepare yourself to have your post deleted, or to be asked to edit your post. Our intention in turning off the profanity censor was never to make profanity more widely exploited. Quite the opposite: the intention was to throw the onus of responsibility for your language back into your very own laps. When and if you choose to curse, please consider your words and choose them deliberately and with great care. Excruciating care, in fact. There may well be that rare occasion when a carefully chosen curse word is both effective and appropriate. Please don't attempt to exploit that.”
How does Water Cooler handle sexuality? Again, not so much by forbidding things sexual in nature but guiding how they are expressed:
“About overt sexual conversations: We have members who are under the age of 21 and we welcome these members in chat. However, because of this, it is necessary to keep things as PG as possible. PG-13 is tolerated for short periods of time, and innuendo is often funny. Just don't overdo it. If you write erotica and want to discuss work, that's fine, just keep it clean and professional. Pasting lines out of your WIP to get advice on a particularly steamy scene is best done in your own room. You can type /join #aroomname to create a room to discuss these issues.”
So, there’s guidance for open forums and a place to go full bore with the explicit. I should add, while pictures are not common, there are many book covers featured which have nudes or semi-nudes.
Finally, with the issue of derogatory language, whether sexual or otherwise, Water Cooler policy goes like so:
“About Slang Derrogatives: If you want to say something is stupid, say it's stupid. Don't call it gay. Don't call it retarded. Don't call it <substitute your favorite label here> It's offensive. End of story.”
Conclusion
So, WC tolerates explicit terms and matters sexual but not derogatory or demeaning language. It is explicit in its rules and has moderators to enforce them. Within this structure, lots edgy, controversial, profane and explicit gets posted as discussion, disagreement, criticism, rants or works in progress, and there is plenty of hard hitting discussion.
My conclusion: more structure and rules may or may not diminish Supertopo depending on the guiding hands of moderators, but would require a more formal structure and more intensive management than Supertopo now has. Probably, such structure and management is the last thing Chris M. or posters want to consider, but may be the eventual avenue should too much become offensive to too many.
Tom Higgins
LongAgo
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Oct 17, 2014 - 04:56pm PT
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It's a pity Chris, that you don't show the same diligence towards bullying.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
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It's a pity Chris, that you don't show the same diligence towards bullying.
betting banned, warned, or called out for it depends on your climbing status, lots of free passes here
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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It's a pity Chris, that you don't show the same diligence towards bullying.
This. Plus:
The constant actions of certain individuals who attempt to derail every climbing related post by taking it off topic with their political/theological/personal vendetta, agendas.
While I appreciate bumping this policy so it remains a constant, there are a lot of issues here causing more harm to the forum then nudity.
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
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Thanks Vegasclimber, Norton, I heartily concur.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
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