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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 14, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
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Yep, tan slacks, obviously boob threads and photos are not about boobs, they're about bullying and sexism. Which is the point being made here on this thread. thanks for your input and your daughter's.
Boob posters have thousands of websites on which to post, but they won't find anyone there to attack or harass. They want to continue their style here where they enjoy the bullying, the put downs and name calling, always provocative to the forum community with sexism as the overtone. It's this negativity that has no place here. We all know each other. We all are friends or friends of friends, men and women alike.
I'm sorry that the admins fail to accept their role here. I can understand the reluctance but I'm still sorry to see them ignore a trend. I agree with Ed. As the negativity takes up the front page the climbing content is lost and even the community aspect is lost. Perhaps permanently.
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Some Random Guy
climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
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May 14, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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boob boob boob boob boob. boob, boob boob boob boob. boob boob boob boob boob (boob boob), boob boob. BOOB!
boob boob boob boob boob boob boob. boob boob boob boob boob boob?
boob - boob boob boob
boob boob boob boob boob boob boob :(
skimming over this thread, this is basically what it looks like.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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May 14, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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Lolli was a quality poster, and this site is a little bit poorer for her absence.
I've only read part of this thread, but I've really appreciated hearing from the women who've posted on the subject. If you want to hear more from these stalwarts who brave the ST sausagefest, and I think on average they post more thoughtfully than many here, you might want to pay attention to what makes them uncomfortable and behave accordingly. It's called empathy, and it's a damned shame it's such an unfashionable emotion.
Bottom line: if you don't see enough pictures of boobs without having them spattered across Supertopo, you really suck at the internet.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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May 14, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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None of this crap would be tolerated if the Appie's were still in charge.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 14, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
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LG: you could start by reading this thread from the beginning. It will answer your question a thousand times over. It's been addressed. No sense belaboring it.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 14, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
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Jan, the reason i called you full of sh#t was because you argued that a womans chest photo was the same as a mans crotch shot. that being said our society is way too uptight about nudity. not saying that everyone should run arround in their birthday suit but I do firmly believe that there is nothing wrong with the human body and nothing to be shamefull of or offended by. crotch shots are a different story. that is where the crap and the piss comes from so haveing the decency to not stick that in each others faces without invitataion is the right thing to do. Heck, most of the critters have tails to cover that stuff up..
I am no fan of pornography. It is low class and usually makes me think that the person involved made some very poor decisions with their life.
Fine art photography on the other hand is fantastic.
I seriously doubt that objectifying women or men has anything to do with sexual assult regardless of what the so called experts say. (Experts had to do a multi million dollar study to figuer out that dogs get jealous)
The simple fact is that men are hard wired to breed and fight. The men with a higher as#@&%e factor do it without permission and outside of the boundrys that society has set. Women who are not sexy or beatifull in a traditional objectifyed way get sexualy assulted as do muslim women who are covered in clothing from head to toe. Weaker men get sexualy assulted by these freaks. heck they would nail a snake if they could hold it down long enough.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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May 14, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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Trundlebum- will PLEASE post up the story of deb climbing shirtless on the Apron.. maybe '82 / What a classic
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 14, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
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Please do me the courtesy of replying.
they're already bored with this and off to search the garage for their husbands porno stash
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Daphne
Trad climber
Black Rock City
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May 14, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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Thanks, survival. I appreciate your integration of the feedback.
I am so glad I am in the company of the women climbers who post here. Whether or not I agree with them, in general, I find their expression of their opinions to be gracious and their posts are meaningful and often profound.
I am not upset and not angry with the boob thread and similar content here. This discussion is a microcosm of our society. I've learned to live by this idea: earth is a school and I am here to learn, not to change the school. If enough people are open to learning, often the school will change itself. It is highly unlikely that a man who is angry about limiting his sharing of and exposure to boobs on supertopo will have enough consciousness to understand what we are sharing about our experience.
Off White refers to empathy. But that requires a relationship to feelings and many men don't live with a lot of openness to feelings, so calling for empathy lands on deaf ears. I think that is why Love Gasoline doesn't get it. He's a guy and wants a rational explanation. Our feelings don't really matter to him.
But I am heartened by the men like Off White and Tan Slacks and Norton and survival and many others here who are open. I will probably monitor this thread due to the highly addictive nature of posting on supertopo, but I won't comment again. I have got so much work to do.
Love and Peace to all.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 14, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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so it all boils down to this. a reflection of what? some dates come to mind. 1963. 1967. 1973. 2013. and everything in between. i'll spare ya the details. we wanted it, we got it. do what feels good. free love, drugs > unwed mother > no male roll model > gangs control the intercity drug trade. supply meets demand, but we got blood on our hands. just ask anyone of the headless corpses south of the rio grand. live on-line sex at a push of the button. 350K + internet porn sites competing against one another for the largest active US demographic (10-16 y.o.) our children. free love > a generation lost 50M+ largely for convenience sake. perhaps a fetus with the cure for cancer, aids, heart disease, yada, yada, yada, instead, wound up deposited with the morning trash! greed/corruption. the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. no worries, cuz the rate things are going, a dollar won't be worth a plug nickle before long, equality at last. its the repugs fault, no its the democraps fault. no, its everyone's fault. wait, the devil made us do it, nope, it's the loony x'tians. 4 dead in ohio (everyone in between) to 28 dead in connecticut, what school will be the next in line? what once was right, is now wrong. evidently depends on which way the wind blows. we can predict the weather, yet fail to discern the signs of the times. clueless in good ol' USofA. the good ship Amurica is sinking fast, folks.
SO, might as well enjoy looking at each others boobies while ya can, eh?
btw, lets get involved in yet another war, that will bring us all together, but wait, whens the last time we won one? defeated again & again, i wonder why?
edit: Our generation, we have so much to be proud of!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 14, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
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I wonder when the victorias secret catalogue is coming in the mail? they're such bullies! and I want to be bullied.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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May 14, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
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But I am heartened by the men like Off White and Tan Slacks and Norton and survival and many others here who are open.
^^^^ I bet those dudes have a freakydeaky porn stash.
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Some Random Guy
climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
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May 15, 2013 - 01:04am PT
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^^^^ I bet those dudes have a freakydeaky porn stash. i do....it's called the internet
EDIT: we all do....it's called the internet
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MisterE
Social climber
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May 15, 2013 - 01:11am PT
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Lolli was a quality poster, and this site is a little bit poorer for her absence.
I've only read part of this thread, but I've really appreciated hearing from the women who've posted on the subject. If you want to hear more from these stalwarts who brave the ST sausagefest, and I think on average they post more thoughtfully than many here, you might want to pay attention to what makes them uncomfortable and behave accordingly. It's called empathy, and it's a damned shame it's such an unfashionable emotion.
Bottom line: if you don't see enough pictures of boobs without having them spattered across Supertopo, you really suck at the internet.
I support this statement and stand by it like it was my own.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 15, 2013 - 01:44am PT
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@lovegasoline... Perhaps you did not see the whole of the original boob thread, the "underground" boob thread, Moosedrool's "I'm sorry" thread, and all the other threads that contained lewd photos of women with a leering, obsessive quality to them. Those posts have become innumerable on the forum in a large number of threads posted by the same small number of forum posters. Anastasia has nothing to do with the direction that her thread went. Her initial post was a playful attempt to change the course of the front page threads away from the abusive communication style and an obsession with guns and violence that had become so repeatedly in use. She posted a picture of an infant with a WWII helmet, a black eye, an engaged smile. The suggestion was the infant was and enthralled and vigorous nurser. She did not post a lewd or eroticized photograph of a woman. btw Anastasia is a friend of mine as well.
You have probably then missed the posts by Jennie, Jan , Gal, Leggs, Michelle, Happie and several other females (sorry RAM full)that describe so well the misogyny, and sexism that is rampant in those photographs. Daphne's post is on this thread and is well worth your read. You might have missed it. Did you read Tan Slacks posts? Many many men have posted here with the same observation of the eroticized abusiveness in the communication style of these posters.
My view is similar to all the above. Misogyny and sexism is a social malignancy. Misogyny is practiced by both women and men, the purpose of which is to devalue women in many ways simply because they are women. Abusiveness in communication or bullying is a style that uses belligerence, belittling, blame, criticism, character attacks, humiliation, et al to dominate a conversation or interchange. The goal is to diminish and degrade the other. It is often characterized by impulsiveness and an underlying hostility. It can be expressed both aggressively and passively. The posts on ST that are of naked women often eroticize that abusiveness, hence the calling of names for those who express a dislike of that style ie" pussy, prude, etc and calling men who express a dislike unmasculine.
Misogyny at the core gives males a privilege of eroticism. It is not a two way street. To play, a woman must become sexually and intellectually subservient, to know her place, so to speak. And that's what these lewd photos are about. Control and degradation. None of it is about breasts or beauty.
I hope this clears things up for you. I feel that I may be describing racism to a Klan member, quite frankly. Or Judaism to a Nazi. I must say I have no idea what you were trying to communicate in your postscript up thread. The sentiment you stated seemed to apply to those with opinion on both sides of the issue. Couldn't make it out. Anyway best of luck and goodwill on your personal journey.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 15, 2013 - 02:24am PT
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Because they're paid to pose and most of them are too young to know better?
Because they've been told it's a necessary thing to do to build a modeling portfolio?
Because they have no sense of themselves yet aside from the power they perceive they get from sexual attractiveness?
I'm pretty sure I recall several girls taking nude photos of themselves for their boyfriends only to find it posted on social media and being surprised that some guy would do that. I think one or two have killed themselves afterwards as well. Clearly they weren't thinking of the future and didn't enjoy it so much.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 15, 2013 - 02:33am PT
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I dunno warbler.. same reason those slaves in the south were so happy , singing all the time. guess ya gotta have a good healthy attitude towards ownership.
on another note: how are ya! you could do a song about this thread, I'm sure it would be hilariously good!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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May 15, 2013 - 02:44am PT
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Superb delineation, Lucky Pink...Jan !
I'm so in awe of the ladies locking arms and posting frankly no matter how much criticism or insult sustained. And well-disposed empathy from a good share of men.
...momentous thread !
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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May 15, 2013 - 08:42am PT
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This thread is getting seriously serious, seriously.
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hossjulia
climber
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May 15, 2013 - 08:44am PT
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I for one am glad moosedrool is gone. he was a perv and creepy. It got to where i would groan and ignore anything he posted, and the stupid sh#t he put up day in and day out right before he left was more creepy weirdness.
As has been pointed out already, crotches are gross, that's where the gross stuff come from. Chests are good, especially strong, well muscled chests, with or without boobs. I personally would like to see more without boobs.
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