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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 04:20am PT
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Wow, condescending toward me just to make sure... You are that threatened of me that you need to put me down AGAIN?
Don't kid yourself. The reason you won't treat me equally is because you can't reach it.
Anyway, kid has fallen asleep. Now I can join him.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 25, 2013 - 04:26am PT
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How does that make it better? Claiming either I or someone else incapable of understanding. That isn't nice.
However, Anastasia, you might consider that the invective that you thought was directed at you as example of how I don't understand how I am attacking women.......was actually directed at a man....then your allegation of my misogynistic tendencies might have been a *smidgen* overstated.
I think what we should do is BE NICE! You know, what five year olds are taught in kindergarten. Try it. Might Improve not only the forum, it will improve one's life.
You don't have to stand for this or that... How the heck did this get so twisted into some kind of political stance. Really sad... Too bad that folks like killing nice fun things this way. All that arguing for such silly stuff and to keep it up! Wow... Astounding.
Well, that's a good concept. In theory.
But at least two people have been deeply hurt. enough to quit. Then on top of that, in discussing it, they have both been rather savaged, where they have no opportunity to even defend themselves. Frankly, I think attacking them in that situation is rather cowardly.
You response, to our hurting friends, is rather like "well, lets forget that and them, and lets have a nice fun party." and why do folks like killing nice fun things this way?
I love to have fun, and enjoy doing fun things. But not all things are nice fun things.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 25, 2013 - 04:35am PT
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I know this thread is titled "a serious matter" but Ken you take supertopos way too seriously & need to chill out man, maybe the ppl who quit did so because they felt they were taking it too seriously & needed to step away. It's ok to step away, it's just the f*#king Internet, real life is still happening out there. As someone who is just reading through this latest garbage I say this in the nicest way- you are not going to do yourself any favors or receive any sort of redemption by posting any more arguments here. Your obviously a smart dude but right now ur coming off as the guy who has lost his sh#t, time to reel it in. If you do that, this thread will hopefully fall into the archives where it belongs. Good luck. It's gnarly in super-OT land where u guys/gals hang out.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jan 25, 2013 - 04:37am PT
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Hi Anastasia,
I don’t believe there were many clear-cut postings blaming you. I didn’t read all the threads that clocked in on the topic…there were several. A portion of us felt the breast thread ultimately ripened into something ridiculously excessive and some felt was outrageous.
I wouldn’t take the rumpus and row as a categorical bill of indictment toward you.
The prudes vs. perverts wrangling became heated but it’s still January …hopefully T*R will be welcomed back and ST will survive this without anyone being labeled miscreant or assigned long-time Rascal Status. Best wishes…
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Jan 25, 2013 - 05:32am PT
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Jennie, TR did what she did then when she got banned came back with a new handle to keep causing problems.
Her actions came back to haunt her.
While I love Ana, I didn't agree with AF's thread and knew it would turn into crap in the long run. But I simply stayed away from it. No thoughts, no comments.
TR didn't and went nuts on it. If you don't agree with it, stay away from it like I did. TR couldn't help herself.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Jan 25, 2013 - 07:36am PT
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So Ken, just as a point of clarity, you seem upset that two members of this forum are now gone. Do you have any personal insight or first hand knowledge of why Lolli jumped ship? From what I have seen she simply walked away and left a blank slate. Having seen nothing else it's hard for me to give reason to that without jumping to conclusions. I do recall seeing a post from someone that received a PM from her stating that it was for personal reasons. I'll try to find it later.
As far as T*R goes, obviously she found offense and took action. She was then banned for that action.
If you're basing your outrage and criteria on two individuals of this forum, one of which who's leaving seems to be an unknown and the other very well known, well, so be it, even if I think maybe you're getting a bit ahead of yourself.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 25, 2013 - 08:48am PT
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I've been trying to stay out of this stupid crap but I gotta back up my girl Anastasia on this one.
+1 for Slayton's comment there as well.
Just gotta say... I'm TOTALLY sick of you morons SPECULATING about Lolli quitting over the boob-thread and posting it as fact. You people don't know sh#t and have ZERO clue why she left so unless you can produce an email verifying it, I'd quit perpetrating that stupid rumor. I suspect it was more about being tired of listening to vicious meannie-whiners fight constantly but that's my personal speculation.
Reily America! they are just f*#king boobs
Yup^^
I'm gonna go back to watching dolphin rescues and bumping trip reports now.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jan 25, 2013 - 09:59am PT
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Boobs are great and boobs are good, but boobs aren't that great and boobs aren't that good. Certainly not that good or bad to have caused all of this.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 10:15am PT
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I think there should be no threads--ever--that offend anyone.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 25, 2013 - 10:45am PT
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I have a question.
Having not yet been to Europe, how do men respond to all the topless women at the beach?
Do they walk with another guy friend behind them and make hand gestures as to how they'd like to take some action like grabbing the breasts and playing with them? Or make the "I've got a massive boner" hand signal?
I am thinking there are probably a few who do, but probably most don't. So, I think that when people are comparing the boobs thread to beaches in europe, it is not an accurate comparison.
That's another thing that really pisses me off. People who put fake arguments into a conversation. Reasonable people don't expect others to "cheat" when it comes to debate, and are usually taken off guard, and don't immediately respond because it does that. And so the one who throws the garbage statement in believes he has won a point.
Not so.
Or, the person hearing that argument is forced to stop a rational debate to go off with them on their illogical tangent which really amounts to poor sportsmanship at the least. I see it as very low quality debating style; a sign of a mind not too keen.
Where I live, there is a swimming and sunbathing area which has a nude section. If a guy sits there gaping at a woman, he is going to be asked by the others to stop or get the hell out. The area actually also has a pretty good number of gay men there, and there have been times when people did walk into the woods unexpectedly and find some pretty serious(a joke with the thread title...) stuff going down(literally). But again, if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area as he watched another guy - that would be considered inappropriate.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jan 25, 2013 - 11:08am PT
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if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area
Advantage or Frontline should take care of it.
Maybe I'm on the wrong thread????
Susan
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
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Lordy Lordy, my how the Pit has changed!
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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As a woman, as a teacher, and as a former CTA union rep. I was offended.
I'd be interested in hearing what experiences you had or what thinking process you go through to get "offended" about what someone else posts on a niche site like this. Not saying that you don't have a right to be offended. You have every right, IMO, and I'l fight for your right to voice your opinion here and elsewhere. But I'm curious, in this case, how that process works, and what stories you tell yourself in terms of what said photo (of A. with the nude torso) "means" to you and others.
JL
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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Sully has a very good point yet it missed a little one... I didn't and never would post a picture of myself "nude or partially nude." My husband suggested that one HE posted was me but seriously folks, it wasn't. You folks give me way too much credit. Plus I won't chase the husband with a broom over his antics. He's allowed to be silly, and no... I am not offended with his idea of boobs. He sees them at work all the time and the more deformed the more he studies them. It's not kinky when it's part of his job.
I also never posted nude pictures, All my posts were covered up. The boys did which I think many can proudly claim is their own work.
As for things going sour, I wasn't around but I am happy that ST nuked the thread because I would happily have done it myself. A joke turned bad, I totally agree. Why didn't I nuke it earlier, well... Bill was enjoying it so I let him and others have their fun. Was it so evil? I'll let Hugh Hefner and folks like the Victoria Secret Models explain it. I mean I've seen a Million Dollar bra but nothing else comparable for the boys. Some things just are.
As for this site... I seriously don't worry about kids here. Well, except for the Old ones and yes, this includes myself.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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Just in case you guys forgot, there are some great climbing threads on this forum. You should check 'em out! Too sw0le!
Oh, and Anastasia is still my hero. Y'all h8ers can blow me. I tried to inject some cultural, academic, sociological and historical blood into this thread but wtf, this is supertopo. What the f*#k was I thinking?!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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It's about the proper conduct of a teacher and my job security. Luckily it doesn't apply to me anymore. Will I ever teach high school again? Nope. I do not see how it is possible with the current lack of jobs and... The whole teaching industry seams geared for failure since treating everyone with different needs/skill the same simply isn't logical. Inclusive education in increasing class sizes with less time for each student. Plus the trend of using teachers as escape goats, demanding more from smaller budgets. We don't have money for science labs, books, multi media, etc... How can we offer a better education with less stuff, less time, a more complicated and larger class population? Well, now this is a whole other argument.
Anyway... That is that.
Again please note I did not post a nude picture of anyone including myself. Saying I did is an inaccurate statement.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
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+1 Anastasia. I agree 100%.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
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if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area
Yeah, I guess you haven't been to Ibiza.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
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Ken, based on your posts here you seem to be extremely narrow minded and pompous, and I find your diatribe regarding this thread to be much more objectionable than any picture that was posted in the BOOB thread. I seriously don't think that you will understand this, but you comparing posting pictures of topless women to slavery, racism, and the abuse and exploitation of women trivializes all of those serious issues. Of all the BS that has been posted about this "serious matter," your posts are by far and away the most offensive.
FWIW, I liked many of TR's post. I did not agree with her stance on the boobs thread AT ALL, but am sorry to see her go. I greatly enjoyed almost everything Lolli posted and was always happy to read her the perspective on issues. I don't believe anyone knows why she left, but I wish she would come back.
One more thing... they are BOOBS! Boobs are good. Boobs are not offensive. It is ok for guys and gals to look at them and think they are beautiful. The human body is not something to be embarrassed about. I think that a lot of you folks just need to relax... but that is just my opinion.
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