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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 12:34am PT
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VOTE ROMNEY! BECAUSE WE NEED MORE HORSES AND BAYONETS!!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 23, 2012 - 12:39am PT
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"they have these ships. They are called aircraft carriers. They land planes on them"
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 23, 2012 - 12:41am PT
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 23, 2012 - 02:05am PT
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"yeah hes' got it now"
Complacency = defeat
Republicans are notorious for knives up their sleeves
Democrats are notorious for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
It ain't over till it's over
Vote
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2012 - 07:50am PT
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yea. my post made it to 231!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Oct 23, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Oct 23, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
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I doubt that Obama's rants, anger, put downs and constant interruptions of Romney in the third and final debate impressed many people. I thought the Democrats understood this after Biden's debate performaance. Romney had the class to stay above it and could easily have nailed Obama on the Libya terrorist attack, but stuck to his big picture. Romney is correct that Obama is draggin his feet on Syria, that our weak economy is also a foreign policy weakness and that the culture of violence in the Middle East must be addressed, though that last one seems hopeless.
God help us if Obama is elected. Four more trillion dollars of debt in the next four years caused by Obama's failed policies will ruin this country.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
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Romney had the class to stay above it and could easily have nailed Obama on the Libya terrorist attack,
No he couldn't.
Romney and his backers where the ones behind the attack.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 08:52pm PT
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If the only arguments you guys have is that his policies failed you have a lot of work to do. He was railroaded, admittedly by the republicans the whole time and it was Bush's policies that got us here, it will take a very long time to undo it, and this is why I will vote Obama, because we are at least not heading in the wrong direction, we are slowing crawling out from the hole that the republican polices created...to vote republican now would be a grave mistake and stop all the progress we have made...but I do respect you guys for sticking to your guns, even in light of facts, I mean facts, they aren't even strong enough to phase you, says a lot about your stubborn will, too bad we can't direct such will into helping this country recover, we would be great again, instead you wish to propagate lies and forward every single bullshit email you receive as if it's truth...ignorance is a choice, in this, the information age...
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
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In four years under Mr. Obama, the federal government will add about $5 trillion to its debt. Under his predecessor, President George W. Bush, the nation added about $3 trillion over eight years. That’s about 66 percent more for Mr. Obama than Mr. Bush over half as many years. Expressed another way, Mr. Obama added an eye-popping average of some $1.2 trillion a year, or three times as much as Mr. Bush’s $0.4 trillion annual average.
Given this performance, it’s stunning to recall that Mr. Obama ever had the temerity to criticize Mr. Bush’s fiscal policy, but he did. In the 2008 campaign he called Mr. Bush’s deficit and debt policies “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic.”
Before that, Mr. Obama called America’s rising debt under Mr. Bush“a sign of failed leadership.” He went on to say “increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here.”
Read more: FOSTER: Obama’s legacy is ’til debt do us part - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/23/foster-obamas-legacy-is-til-debt-do-us-part/#ixzz2AAuAQXQW
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
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Spending Ramping Up
The CBO report also makes clear that it's out-of-control federal spending that's driving the deficits.
According to that report, the federal spending as a share of GDP is on track to steadily rise over the next decade and beyond, reaching 22.3% of GDP by 2022.
That's significantly higher than the 1948-2008 average and much higher than it's been under previous Democratic presidents. In President Clinton's last year in office, for example, federal spending consumed just 18.2% of GDP.
Yet while the president talks about cutting spending as part of a balanced plan, his budget would actually accelerate this spending trend, adding $1.1 trillion to the pile over the next decade, according to the CBO. By 2022, federal outlays under Obama's budget would equal almost 23% of GDP.
As a result, even though Obama wants to raise taxes as a share of GDP to historically high levels, his plan would still produce $6.4 trillion in deficits over the next decade.
Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/101812-629794-blame-spending-not-tax-cuts-for-deficit.aspx#ixzz2AAyH7YHG
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:34pm PT
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President Obama often talks about the need for a "balanced" approach to deficit reduction, by which he means tax hikes in addition to spending cuts.
At the recent presidential debate, for example, he said, "We've got to reduce our deficit, but we've got to do it in a balanced way — asking the wealthy to pay a little bit more along with cuts."
The only problem with this approach is that the massive projected deficits over the next 10 years aren't the result of too few taxes. They are entirely the result of too much spending.
Here's the proof.
According to the latest budget forecast from the Congressional Budget Office, even if every expiring tax cut were kept in place permanently — including all the Bush tax cuts and various other expiring cuts from last year and this year — and even if the alternative minimum tax were permanently indexed to inflation, federal revenues would still rise to 18.6% of GDP by 2022.
To put that figure in perspective, from 1948 and 2008, federal revenues averaged 18% of GDP.
What's more, despite countless changes to the tax code — which included raising the top rate to 90%, then lowering it to 28%, then raising and lowering it again — revenues as a share of GDP have rarely deviated much from that average.
So even if all the Bush tax cuts were made permanent, federal taxes would end up slightly higher as a share of GDP than the historic average.
Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/101812-629794-blame-spending-not-tax-cuts-for-deficit.aspx#ixzz2AAyi9rYv
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
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Yosemite 5.9A....Now i get it...! How could i be so daft...? I'm one of those undecided voters who will vote for Mitt...I honestly think starting another war has no effect on our deficit or American quality of life and i truly believe Obama is a wreckless tax and spend Democrat...thanks....
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
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Bush Deficit vs Obama Deficit: Obama Budget Insane?
By Beth Shaw
Barack Obama has repeatedly insisted that he inherited the current economic problems and budget deficit from the George Bush deficit. Is that true or is the Obama budget insane? Here is a chart to help clarify where the truth lies. Read about it below and see a video.
Bush Deficit vs Obama Deficit
Last night at his prime time press conference, Barack Obama looked straight into his big screen teleprompter and told the American people that he had inherited the Bush budge deficit and was doing all he could to reduced it. As has been his pattern since his inauguration, he has asked the American people for patience while he sorts out the numerous messes left to him by the previous administration.
Of course, the stock market reached never before seen heights, unemployment was at all time lows and we were rocking along just fine under the Bush administration. That is up until 2006 when the democrats took control of Congress. But why let the facts get in the way of a good repetitive dose of propaganda for the masses?
In much the same way that Obama stands in front of the cameras and tells the American people that ‘the buck stops’ with him and then turns around immediately and spends his time assigning blame to everyone but himself, he declares that he is doing everything he can to fix the economy while at the very same time, increasing the federal budget to levels few of us could have imagined. He has actually succeeded in having American people talk in terms of trillions of dollars as though those are reasonable sums of money.
The budget Obama proposes for this year increases federal spending by a fiscally insane 34% over the budget adopted for last year, with a total of $4 trillion in federal spending, the highest EVER.
But hey, why worry about spending money and incurring trillions of dollars in debt? He can always get more out of working Americans and when he’s bled us all dry, he can just print more money. Its like free money. Doesn’t the government have a big ol’ money printing press deep in the bowels of Fort Knox somewhere? Isn’t it great to have that kind of power!
The democrats were in an uproar over the national deficit when Ronald Reagan was President. The Obama deficit, in the first year of his presidency, will be 4 times higher than the highest deficit ever reached while Reagan was President. But there’s nary a peep from the howling democrats over this. In fact, on the contrary, they are applauding it. At least the far left democrats are.
As is apparent from the Bush deficit vs Obama deficit graph above, in the first two months of Obama’s administration, the stimulus package has already contributed to quadruple the deficit. Of course, when Obama claims he’s going to half it by 2013, it could be the sort of sale we find at some of our finer department stores. You know, raise the price, then half it and come off like a hero. Maybe that’s his ultimate plan. Unfortunately, there are people who would actually fall for that. After all, there ARE people who answer the Nigerian email scams.
There is no question that President George W. Bush did increase the federal deficit to a historic $700 billion through 2008. However, Obama is adding another $1 Trillion to that already historic level. Whatever increases Bush did during his administration, Obama is matching and raising to almost unimaginable levels.
And we would be remiss not to mention that Bush’s administration had to deal with the budget busting terrorists attacks of 9/11/2001 and the subsequent costly Global War on Terrorism.
Obama’s budget insanity will increase the public debt by $4.9 Trillion. Staggering. Incomprehensible numbers.
Regardless of the clearly identifiable facts, Obama persist in insisting that he inherited the deficit and pleads with the public to be patient while he fixes all these problems that have been laid at his feet. Meanwhile, we are being robbed blind.
Its all about smoke and mirrors and a bit of slight of hand.
One just wonders how far it will go before the people stand up and demand that it stop and if, by then, it will be too late.
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