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capseeboy

Social climber

portland, oregon

Mar 10, 2019 - 09:31am PT

Outlaw lobbyists in your government as the first step. Until the billionaire parasites have no say, the rest of you have no chance.

My dad was bitching 60 years ago about lobbyist and lawyers in control---same as it ever was.

Then they do the work to assemble the best and brightest to come up with ideas and the courage to implement them.

The best and brightest are corrupted from an early age onward by those with $$$ and power---want a piece of candy lil boy/girl?

3. Gov't health savings account which you can use for retirement if you keep yourself healthy and out of accidents, or supplement if you are addicted to twinkies and a sedentary lifestyle.

I think this is called medicare, which, like soc security, will soon be bankrupt, if not already. Pension plans don't exist for most, shady 401k stuff does--read the small print--financial investing. Many, or most, civil service pensions are bankrupt too--small print again, taxpayers are miffed to make up difference of shady financial investments...again.

1. Everyone has access to unlimited care and taxes increase proportional to cost? (Socialism?)

Some states already do this. If you are below a certain income you get free health coverage. It's less expensive in the long run to keep peeps healthy.

4. Government mandated participation with middle-men for profit corporations who then pay hospitals (ObamaCare)

Get rid of the middle man. I have no number to plug in here, I'm guessing millions are afraid/brainwashed into thinking that collective government administered health care is communism/socialism. They don't understand that many services are already operating under a quasi-capitolist-socialist structure and that we would have a total nightmare w/o any social/collective infra structure. IOW they just don't get it; hence, hold onto predatory Insurance.

Every state has it's own regulatory body regulating insurance. Your insurance will not cover you in another state. Why is it so?

The so-called system will soon implode under a tidal wave of geezers, incl myself, who are no longer productive. This will be further exacerbated by the millennial's being replaced with AI and Bots.

Edit include quasi cap-soc

Kalimon

Social climber

Ridgway, CO

Mar 26, 2019 - 10:48pm PT

Trump is coming for your Obamacare . . . the fat bastard is newly energized. You really think his handlers give a f*#k about your well being?

Heaven help the fool.

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber

Old and Broken Down in Appalachia

Mar 27, 2019 - 03:09am PT

Trump is now stating that one of his 2020 campaign promises is to repeal Obamacare in its entirely.

Say goodbye to your health insurance - and your life savings.

August West

Trad climber

Where the wind blows strange

Mar 27, 2019 - 10:37am PT

^^^

And we know that Trump has a %100 record on keeping his promises...

I don't think it is all doom and gloom that Trump is making the repeal of Obama Care a central piece of his re-election.

Health Care hurt Republicans in the House mid-terms. The only people cheering on the repeal of Obama Care are already Trump voters. Sure, he needs to fire up his base to get out the vote, but I see this hurting Trump more than helping him.

dirtbag

climber

Mar 27, 2019 - 10:43am PT

^^^it’s 2018 all over again, except this time with the president’s own justice department gunning for the ACA, and some right wing justices deciding the case, the stakes are clearer.

I am sometimes relieved they are so incompetent.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 27, 2019 - 10:46am PT

AG Barr didn't support the idea of pursuing the lower court's ruling on wiping out the ACA. Now he's supposed to be driving the DOJ's role in overturning? I laugh robustly.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 27, 2019 - 10:55am PT

"Sure, he needs to fire up his base to get out the vote, but I see this hurting Trump more than helping him."

Yes, this. Earlier in his administration, I'd look at such discombobulated political strategies and think maybe Trump is playing some kind of three dimensional chess and his peeps know something the rest of us don't know. Nowadays, I feel a lot more confident his strategies are just plain imbecilic. Like dirt said, his incompetence and disorganization is the savior of our Country.

WyoRockMan

climber

Grizzlyville, WY

Mar 27, 2019 - 12:07pm PT

Advance copy of the GOP's replacement for the ACA:
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10b4me

Social climber

Lida Junction

Mar 27, 2019 - 12:26pm PT

When those coal miners can no longer get treated for black lung disease. . . . . .

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Mar 27, 2019 - 01:32pm PT

The pure racist spite that is driving the dissolution of the ACA, with no replacement, is sickening to watch.

dirtbag

climber

Mar 27, 2019 - 02:08pm PT

But he sure is stickin’ it to the libs, praise be.

Norton

climber

The Wastelands

Mar 27, 2019 - 02:33pm PT

Being retired and having nothing better to do, I have read the 4000 page ACA twice

Summaries mention the life saving benefits of guaranteeing coverage for preexisting conditions and the Medicaid expansion covering some 15 million Americans

but another really nice feature of the ACA is that it mandates that all insurance companies must spend at least 85% of their premium income on, gasp, healthcare

prior to the implementation of the ACA each state insurance regulators set the percentage and it varied from state to state

so for example a state like Wyoming said that only 50% had to be spent of each insurance companies patients and the other 50% could be kept as "administrative"
or in real world terms, pure profit going the shareholders

as of now, many billions of dollars have already been refunded to people because their health insurance companies have been keeping too much for profit

all this goes away of course if Trump and his Republicans get their way

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 27, 2019 - 04:31pm PT

This could be the issue that saves MSNBC.

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber

Old and Broken Down in Appalachia

Mar 27, 2019 - 05:42pm PT

Trump held a press conference, stated that, "We, the Republicans, will be the party of great healthcare."

Trump made the unprecedent move to direct the Department of Justice to attack the Affordable Care Act directly, seeking a repeal of the entire law in its entirety.

Pence countered - basically saying, "Hey wait a minute, the Republicans don't have any back-up plan in case the courts repeal Obamacare."

Trump says that as soon as Obamacare is repealed, "the Republicans will introduce great legislation" to take the place of Obamacare.

For 2 years, the Republicans tried and failed to develop a new healthcare plan when they controlled the White House, the House, and the Senate.

Trumps supporters are hailing his announcement with frantic support.

One day Trump says that he wants to repeal protections for pre-existing conditions. The next day he says that he will protect people with pre-existing conditions. Which Trump do you believe?

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Mar 27, 2019 - 05:44pm PT

My fervent hope is that republicans and the tea party kill the health care there is.

It will send them into history along with the Whigs and the Know nothing party.

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Mar 27, 2019 - 05:56pm PT

700 billion in taxpayer subsidies is no fuking bullsh!t.

I pay about 4x as much money every damn paycheck for other people’s healthcare as I pay for my own.

From what I see, most of that money pays for greed between the hospitals and drug companies.

Fuk all you all, IMO.

EdwardT

Trad climber

Retired

Mar 27, 2019 - 06:13pm PT

Thanks Norton. Interesting facts.

Without resorting to Trump bashing, can someone explain what the Republicans are saying the benefits are with Obamacare repealed?

I get the whole theoretical free-market aspects. But we had those back before the ACA. And the healthcare was an ongoing clusterf*ck.

Looking at France's system, it seems to be better than everyone else. Mostly socialized medicine, with options.

Is this repeal primarily big pharma and hospital networks shafting the masses for their bottom lines?