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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
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M. very short sighted assesment there. The lead investigator wanted manslaughter. FL law makes it very easy to kill without penalty so perp walks. There is ample evidence suggesting zimmerman stalked trevon. there is little doubt that zimmerman was on the loseing end of a fist fight.. just think what a bad ass I could have been in 7th grade if VT had a law like that and I could have shot every kid that beat me in a fist fight........
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 27, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
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That's exactly how I see it....
He stalked him.
Wanted to get into an altercation...
Sh*t came out sideways and he landed on his a** with some kid trying to defend himself.
Martin see's Zimmerman pull a gun.
Martin screams.
Zimmerman has self defense case....
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
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Why don't you have him selling drugs at the 7/11?
Smart CC, you removed your comment about him being out smoking pot, cuz we know pot smokers are such a threat.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
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Mono - Remind us all why he was on a 10 day school suspension?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
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Why did you remove your comment?
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:41pm PT
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Mono - troll
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:47pm PT
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I think we can all agree there was a physical confrontation. In this case, the winner gets to make the claims about how it started.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
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Mono - although his eyes are quite bloodshot is his twitter pic. Think its
because he'd been studying a lot?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
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Yes CC, he was a nasty kid in a hoodie, deserving to be stalked and killed by a guy 100 lbs heavier in fear of his life.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
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Zimmerman has a history of being aggressive with those he doesn't see eye to eye with...
Sanford police released a log of Zimmerman's dozens of calls to police dating back to 2004, which show a pattern of his reporting suspicious people and minor nuisances. Three other reports released by the county sheriff show Zimmerman was willing to follow wrong-doers.
In September 2003, Zimmerman called police to complain of a fellow motorist spitting on him. He followed the man until police arrived.
But the motorist, Daniel Osmun, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration" with the young man's erratic driving.
As they pulled up next to each other, the two exchanged words and "Mr. Osmun also said at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him," according to a police report. Prosecutors were contacted but no charges were ever filed against either, according to state records.
In October 2003, Zimmerman again called police as he followed a man who had apparently stolen two combination DVD/TV players from a supermarket. The suspected thief was arrested.
Then in October 2007, Zimmerman called police to report that the tires of his Dodge Durango were slashed and he suspected his girlfriend's ex-boyfriend. However, he had no proof the man, Tim Hudik, was behind the vandalism.
Hudik, however, told police that he never touched the truck - and that he so was aggravated by text message exchanges with Zimmerman that he was mulling a restraining order against Zimmerman. None was filed, according to Seminole County records.
Hudik hung up on a Miami Herald reporter Tuesday.
Zimmerman was arrested in a scuffle with an undercover officer in 2005, but the charges were dropped when he entered a pre-trial diversion program that allowed him to have a clean record.
When he applied for the citizen's police academy, Zimmerman insisted he did not know the man he scuffled with was a cop.
"I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regaurd (sic) as I hope to one day become one," he wrote in his application. "I would never have touched a police officer."
©2012 The Miami Herald
...good thing for Daniel Osmun that the police heard HIS side, as that is my best friend's (from college) brother in Sanford, and losing him for nothing would be plain wrong.
Sucking Fyko is what Zimmerman is
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 27, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
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"Stand Your Ground Law"
The results are entirely predictable.
WTF is the idea of allowing (encouraging) people outside the authorized law enforcement chain of command to shoot unarmed citizens upon fear of violence? Where is the training? NADA. Where is the chain of responsibility? NADA.
And this BS about Trayvon having been in trouble for marijuana?
One of the most decent, non-violent young men I know has been busted for dope.
BFD.
I don't particularly hold Zimmerman at fault. Sure he's guilty of manslaughter at least, but he was setup by the community's mass hysteria.
Riley
I don't think I have ever known anyone like Zimmerman. You need to get out and expand your social life. There are plenty of them.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 27, 2012 - 11:27pm PT
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This is the sort of loutish,hysteria-driven, mean-spirited mob mentality that has..... led to the creation of this non-sensical and dangerous law.
hey. How about all the climbers I know who wear hoodies? How 'bout the Patagucci hoodie sweaters and guide jackets?
How 'bout the climbers who've had a MJ run-in with the law and wear hoodies on a dark night?
be careful out there, could be a target on your back.
The ONLY facts we know are that Zimmerman followed Trayvon. Zimmerman was armed. Trayvon wasn't. Trayvon had not committed any crime that night. Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon. And the DA did diddley squat of an investigation.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Mar 27, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
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Hoodies first became popular when it got cold.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Mar 28, 2012 - 12:07am PT
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Have you ever been followed ?
Did you attack your follower ?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 28, 2012 - 12:07am PT
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The ONLY facts we know are that Zimmerman followed Trayvon. Zimmerman was armed. Trayvon wasn't. Trayvon had not committed any crime that night. Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon. And the DA did diddley squat of an investigation.
We don't know if Trayvon committed any crime, but it doesn't matter. The other facts ARE what we know and much of what you need to know to know something went wrong.
What really made this story blow up and take racial overtones was not the incident itself, but the police investigation of it.
The police sent out a narcotics detective, not a homicide detective.
The police dept. had complaints of racial bias in the past.
The police didn't test the shooter for drugs/alcohol but they tested the dead person
The police did a poor job interviewing witnesses.
The police didn't check Trayvon's cell phone records and talk to his girlfriend who was on the phone when the incident was happening.
The police still haven't admitted they messed up not arresting Zimmerman. They said they had no reason to doubt his claims of self defense, but the simple fact that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon means it was not a stand your ground situation. If we take Zimmerman at his word that Trayvon attacked him you still have Zimmerman pursuing Trayvon causing the confrontation. The fact that the police STILL can't admit this shows how screwed up that department is.
American justice, like American democracy might be among the best in the world, but it's still ripe for abuse and screw up. And injustice DOES often affect some people more than others and if you can't see that you are a weak, self centered person.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Mar 28, 2012 - 09:37am PT
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we don't know that z "pursued" martin; we know he FOLLOWED, which is perfectly reasonable for neighborhood watch; we don't know he was "ordered" to stop following but simply told "we don't need you" to follow
we know z was bloodied on his face and head
we know z claimed he was attacked, which was, at least partially, confirmed by a witness who called 911 and reported "man in white" (martin was 6'2" and wearing white) on top of and beating "man in red" (z was wearing red)
we know z is hispanic; we know z tutors black children even after funding for the program was discontinuted; we know z has black friends defending his character--one of them publicly the other without showing his face because he fears for his safety
we know z has been arrested and we know martin was suspended from school for drugs; meaning, we know nobody's record is perfect
we know the black panthers have put out a "bounty" for a man who is not a fugitive and has not even been charged with a crime; we know spike lee tweeted a private citizen's phone number that turned out to be the wrong number and now an elderly couple is being harrassed and is afraid for their safety
we know public officials are making accusations of "murder" and systemic racism, further enflaming a terrible situation
we know sometimes the system fails but most of the time it doesn't
we know nobody outside out of sanford, fl, would be having this conversation if martin wasn't black or z wasn't not black
we know that 90% of black murder victims are murdered by black assailants, and we know that nobody wants to address that issue
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Mar 28, 2012 - 09:51am PT
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oh, we also know zimmerman is a registered DEMOCRAT!!!
so, by the logic displayed on this thread, we can immediately assume that all democrats are violent, racist, ignorant, pathetic, psychotic, etc.
which, of course, we already knew
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