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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Americans like freedom. NOT GOVERNMENT.
With no gov't at all, what happens, ALWAYS, is the creation of a harsh tyranny. Under no gov't, those with more physical power consolidate it, and use it to subjugate those around them, imposing a harsh tyranny.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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If this slut can't find a few bucks a day in her budget to get laid the three or four times she obviously does, then why would anyone ever consider hiring her when she becomes a lawyer?
PLEEZE keep it up. Every post you make like this pushes more and more voters to Obama.
With any effort on your part, Dems will win the house, too.
PLEEZE!
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Mimi
climber
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Actually Joe, most know that this election doesn't really mean very much. A goat could've won the last one. As is obvious. It was a vote against the previous administration. The Congressional elections do matter in order to stymie this President's agenda. Let's see how the next few years pan out, not just the next few months.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Maybe she is a slut. Did you here her comments?
Yep, and she did not talk about her sexual practices. So why are you? another bedroom you can sneak into?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nice try. So "birth control hormones" are for health reasons now? Wow! Tell my 97 year old grandmother!!!!
I'll tell you that. Highly effective treatment for a number of problems.
But that is only for women, so I imagine you are opposed, automatically, since they aren't "real" americans, like men, right?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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So tell me, Callie, so it's supposed to be free? Paid for by taxpayers? Deployed to high-school/college students for their 'health'?
I gotta call bS on this. It's a ploy.
And yes, my wife pays for her birth control, before you ask.
so you don't think enough of your wife to buy her quality insurance that covers drugs? Why should we care?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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By the way, if no one else here has said it (other than the President), I was very proud of this articulate woman, who represented the situation very clearly and well.
She spoke truth to power, not an easy thing to do. All Americans should do so well. She is exactly what we all hope our daughters grow up able to do.
I was particularly pleased with the President's call to her.
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Mimi
climber
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The history of birth control, including abortion, does have a significant health component. Women's health has broad meaning and so does birth control. It's not about not getting preggers or being able to plook at will as was in the press lately. One cannot overlook that it helps prevent bad abortions and provides aid to women that are victims of sex crimes. I've always said, if men got pregnant, this wouldn't be a conversation.
As I recall, as a student in college on a typical student policy, birth control was essentially free $4 in the mid-80s. Once out in the private sector, it wasn't paid for and rose to as much as $30/month. Kinda like cable, a buck a day. Which I found stupid because everyone knows prevention saves money. Or does it? Insurance companies likely profit from pregnancies. Ever look at maternity policies? The cost was so high in the 80-90s that it wasn't worth it for what a routine delivery cost. Probably isn't much different now. That type of coverage is a separate policy and pretty much means you can have your baby in a private woman's hospital as opposed to a general one. Don't let the dingo get your baby!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 4, 2012 - 03:07am PT
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Good post.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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f men got pregnant, this wouldn't be a conversation.
Word.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Which I found stupid because everyone knows prevention saves money. Or does it? Insurance companies likely profit from pregnancies. Ever look at maternity policies? The cost was so high in the 80-90s that it wasn't worth it for what a routine delivery cost. Probably isn't much different now. That type of coverage is a separate policy and pretty much means you can have your baby in a private woman's hospital as opposed to a general one. Don't let the dingo get your baby!
Mimi, probably the most expensive care in medicine is the care of neonates. It is easy to believe that a routine and simple pregnancy means moneymaking by the companies. But it is paying for the neonates and complicated pregnacies.
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Mimi
climber
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That is true. My brother is a NNP and it's amazing what saving a baby can cost for a young family. Immediate bankruptcy in many cases to save it. We don't let babies die here as in some countries. No matter what the cost. And the state of the child.
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zeta
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Once out in the private sector, it wasn't paid for and rose to as much as $30/month. Kinda like cable, a buck a day.
totally Mimi!
Back in the mid 90s, a male gynecologist in Montana told me that I shouldn't complain about the cost of birth control pills, since, as he put it, "oh come on, now $1 a day is cheap, it'll keep you from getting pregnant."
I told him that my bcp were for preventing ovarian cysts (not pregnancy), that I was unemployed (at that time) so paying over $300/yr WAS expensive, and that he didn't have a clue about the real lives of women. Total jerk.
If men could get pregnant, you can bet that this whole thing would never be an issue. A funny (similar) take on this is Gloria Steinen's classic old article, "If Men Could Menstruate" (I can hear bluey and others already freaking out about feminazis...ha ha...!) here you go boys!
http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/p109g/steinem.menstruate.html
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Mimi
climber
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hahahaha! zeta, right on!
The pill is also used to alleviate painful periods and other issues.
Women are superior. Men have been involved in the conspiracy to deny this forever. This is so obvious. Kinda like the concept of women being a minority. Oppression all the way.
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dirtbag
climber
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Bluering, TGT, Chaz...you guys have really lost it.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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The world would be a better place if that windbag goes the way of Glen Beck. Let's do it.
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pc
climber
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Limbaugh's just trying to make a buck. Shock jock no more, no less. That folks "believe" what he spouts is a mystery and truly sad.
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apogee
climber
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(Reposting of TGT's post, for emphasis)
"Interesting related article:"
But the left finds it much easier and indeed it is more comforting to do so, until you're caught up short by reality. So when a topic comes up like the foolish college student who complains she has to have her employer pay for her contraceptives because its too much work to travel a half mile and buy her own for less than 10 bucks a month, the left leaps on it with both feet, blissfully ignorant of how the rest of the nation perceives it.
So now Sandra Fluke is the left's new hero, a voice of the oppressed, a woman abused by cruel Roman Catholic social conservatives, who would deny her her right to have sex without getting pregnant. She's gotten dozens of interviews and even a call from President Obama. Because she says her contraception costs her $1000 a year.
To them she's a voice of the oppressed women everywhere, fighting against the patriarchal right who'd crush her liberty. To everyone else, she's a bit of a slut (how many times per day is she having sex to cost that much in contraception??) and idiotic, demanding people pay for her contraceptives as if that's some sort of critical human right. And they're so tone deaf to the rest of the nation, the left thinks this is a huge PR win, a triumph that will crush their enemies. Because they're so isolated, by choice, from the rest of the story.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com/
Wow, TGT- if that is an example of an 'interesting article' that truly reflects your view, it's pretty hard to regard any of your efforts towards intellectual conservatism (ahem) with any seriousness.
For a guy who prides himself on historical knowledge and perspective, that kind of shite is nothing more than sewer-level ranting. WTF, dude?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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blue
You idiots fail to see the future, and you you fail to reflect on your past.
You want gov't sponsored birth control?
Do you know where this goes?
And insurance companies should have free-will.
First of all, practically ALL insurance companies want to cover birth control because having a baby costs them big bucks. Its the employer/church who tells the insurance company not to cover something because of religious values. But in this country, you get your insurance from your employer and perhaps shouldn't be forced to adopt their religious values if you work for their hospital rather than for the church itself.
I'm astounded by people who cry about abortion, which they say should be illegal for everyone, and then fail to support the one thing that frail humans can do to prevent it, birth control (cause if you're buying your viagra and your single like Rush was, he's not "Abstinent" If the preachers can't stay Abstinent, then what should we call them and their calls for abstinence?
Ken wrote
Chaz, there are many, many people in this country who are unhappy that medical care does not focus on PREVENTION, and instead focuses on treating AFTER THE FACT.
One part of the healthcare reform is to make preventive care more accessible.
Part of the reason for doing that is it DECREASES COST OF INSURANCE.
Access to highly effective birth control reduces the number of unwanted children---you oppose that?
It will reduce the number of abortions--you oppose that?
It will reduce the cost of healthcare, a HUGE problem (pregnancies and childbirth, and child healthcare is a LOT more expensive than pills)
And it in one way supports PREVENTION---you oppose that?
CC
You Liberals are definitely feeling the pain over this round. By tomorrow we'll know who paid -agent provocateur- Fluke to attend Georgetown with instructions to mess with the religious freedoms the Constitution guarantee us all.
Why should I have to pay for war? Particularly when there' no threat to us and it's based on untruth like the Iraq war? Get real. She was called because she was an activist just like those preachers were called because they had an axe to grind
Come on dude
Peace
Karl
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Rush L. as shock jock? Too bad the (is it?) 20 million listeners don't realize it. I wonder how many of that 20 million are actually deaf?
I ran into Rush in the airport bathroom one time. He kept tapping his foot under the stall door. I finally asked him what it was that he wanted and he said he just wanted to look in my toilet to see what kinda sh*t was going down. Funny thing, when I obliged, his foot slipped and he fell in. Only thing that saved from an ignominious trip to the Bahamas was that he was so fat his neck hung up in drain.
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