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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 21, 2011 - 04:43pm PT
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I'd seen that a few days ago, El Cap. Unfortunately, the positives will get overwhelmed by the momentarily sensational.
John
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Nov 21, 2011 - 04:46pm PT
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Pretty cool development, the stuff is supposed to be 100 times lighter than styrofoam, a lattice of some kind of nickel/phosphorus. Big collaboration with funding through a grant from DARPA. So I guess it's socialist metal.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 21, 2011 - 04:49pm PT
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DMT, have you forgotten the crop-dusting, helicopter-borne use of tear gas at Berkeley during the People's Park spring? These Davis cops are pikers by comparison. The sad commentary on all this is that when I was a freshman at Cal, tuition (aka educational fees) was zero. We paid a small amount for ASUC and similar campus "services" but nothing whatsoever for tuition.
Now we're causing our best and brightest (I know the students at private institutions will disagree, but they are, of course, wrong) to incur such significant debt that the only way they have any chance of paying it is to obtain degrees that allow them to earn big bucks in large cities. The tuition at UC law schools makes it financially impossible for a student with modest means to take a job in the San Joaquin Valley and have any hope of making a dent in his or her student loan.
Worst of all, the taxpayers don't care. They want more prisons, and many would be happy to send more protesters, and a goodly portion of the UC faculty, there.
John
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micronut
Trad climber
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Nov 21, 2011 - 05:38pm PT
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I know lots of yall will probably think this is kinda lame, but if I disobeyed a cop, I would fully expect to get whacked with a club or pepper sprayed or tazed.
Why does this always surprise people?
These kids were asked to move, days in advance, by the authorities.
Did they really think nothing would happen? If I ever make a conscious decision to ignore a police officer's request/command, I'll plan on getting thumped on or sprayed. Its part of the deal here in America. It's the law. I dunno.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 21, 2011 - 05:45pm PT
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Micronut,
It must be San Joaquin Valley common sense, but I agree that it borders on insane to disobey a cop and not expect to get tooled.
I'm focusing on the insanity of the toolers, though, not the toolees. Making martyrs seldom helps the martyr makers.
John
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2011 - 05:49pm PT
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proposed federal prison when the OWS gains power - top security
(that's the Goldman Sachs headquarters - lol)
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nov 21, 2011 - 06:14pm PT
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Fatty, couldn't you send those criminals all to China as it's cheaper:-)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 21, 2011 - 06:20pm PT
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Ouch! would have a field day with this.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Nov 21, 2011 - 06:39pm PT
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You all don't see how funny this incident is.
Look at it as a revealing Darwin test for these OWS sympathizers: are you smart enough not to get pepper sprayed? - yes?/no?
Apparently 'no' this time.
The choice to either stay seated blocking a public sidewalk and get sprayed or stand up and walk away. Are you a criminal or not? Decide.
And these morons stayed seated! Violating the civil rights of the other students trying to get to class.
Get their names and post them so no one ever risks hiring someone so stupid.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 21, 2011 - 06:46pm PT
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Is there any truth to the rumor that one of the occupiers was heard to say "Don't tase me, Bro!" immediately before the cop uncorked the bear spray?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Nov 21, 2011 - 06:54pm PT
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We DON'T need more prisons...
We NEED more JUSTICE...
F*#k that, we need more cowbell.
Lovegasoline: Brilliant. Excellent work there.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 21, 2011 - 06:57pm PT
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The Occupy Vancouver people moved today. The city had been slowly tightening up on them in terms of what they could do and how, mostly things that were health, sanitation and safety related. Friday the city got a court order that they move by today, and now that the mayor has been re-elected, he has a free hand.
Until now, Occupy Vancouver has been camped in front of the art gallery, which is actually the old courthouse. About five weeks, with the original protest slowly being partly co-opted by various opportunists. The area is the de facto public demonstration and protest space in our city - always somebody there complaining about something.
This afternoon, the Occupyers took down their stuff and marched through downtown, ending up at the entrance to the courthouse, which happens to be somewhat protected from the weather, plus provincial land. And the court order in theory doesn't apply to it, although I suspect that will quickly change. As one of the protesters said, their commute to the courthouse is now half as far.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-politics/occupy-vancouver-moves-camp-to-the-courthouse/article2243719/
Apparently the protesters, with help from unions and others, are doing a reasonable job cleaning up the old site.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 21, 2011 - 07:13pm PT
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^^^^
The "Bed Peace" sign, made by John Lennon, recently sold for $150,000 or so.
All those who think that Yoko should be pepper-sprayed need to spend some quality time in the car by yourselves.
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micronut
Trad climber
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Nov 21, 2011 - 07:15pm PT
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Out of line police thug brutality is disgusting. I agree. And when innocent folks who are obeying the law get abused by ignorant or dirty cops, its a blight on society and mankind.
BUT, if you are breaking the law, even a little one, you can't really complain when you face the reality of your actions. There are consequences to breaking the law. And they sting.
If I someday decide to take a stand for something I believe in and am knowingly breaking the law, I'll take a little pepper spray for the cause....But I'll be up front that I had it coming. Just my honest two cents.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 21, 2011 - 07:31pm PT
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Lovegasoline,
You even have my family rolling on the floor!
John
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nov 21, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
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LOL, me too, that's stuff is just funny. Thanks Bluering!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 21, 2011 - 07:34pm PT
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It should not be forgotten that this act of using pepper spray is a source of great joy to the protesters.
I have been down to OWS sites, and have watched a number of confrontations on live video. Unfailingly, the protesters are as rude, provoking, and threatening as they think they can get away with, plus a little more.
Their goal is to provoke violence. They carry many many video cameras. I have seen things that I was personally at edited to appear considerably different.
They likely have provoked an incident that will result in damage to police careers (part of the 99%), and damage to the Chancellor's career (likely quite sympathetic to OWS).
They are turning the police against them, nationally. They are turning the Universities, a great natural ally, against them.
Why are Universities a TARGET? They are not part of corporations, nor of corrupt gov't. This is very sad.
I agree with Ken M on this one.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 21, 2011 - 07:42pm PT
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In 1997, the "Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation" group, leaders from a variety of countries, met in Vancouver. Leading to the usual protests, and aggressive police behaviours. In this case, the RCMP, who had jurisdiction at UBC, and clearly think they're a law unto themselves. One officer made a show of unnecessarily pepper-spraying some protesters, and was filmed doing so. His nickname ever since: Sergeant Pepper. Here he is.
http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/10/22/MercerPepperSpray/
There was a demonstration at the "G20" meeting in Ontario in 2010, where the demonstrators were blowing bubbles at the cops. One predictably went ballistic, and said to a protester: "If the bubble touches me, you're going to be arrested for assault. It's a deliberate act on your behalf, I'm going to arrest you.” His nickname? Officer Bubbles. Not knowing enough to quit while he was behind, he later sued YouTube for allowing cartoons and video of the incident (and commentary) to be published.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2010/10/16/toronto-g20-cop.html
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