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John Duffield
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New York
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im left to wonder why our NV Natl guard is being deployed there.
They're not ordinary 11 bang bang right? I've heard, there are NG, with special skillz, that get deployed because the Army can't be arsed to put in RA.
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WBraun
climber
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FortMentäl and glanton always have huge hard-on boners for the Chief.
Two perverts always on the extreme leg humping somebody.
Kind of really sick and demented.
Unbelievably weirdos .....
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Glanton; hopefully Cmac will banish you for your racist comments.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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www.nytimes.com/.../the-deserters-a-world-war-ii-history-by-charles-glass.htm
50,000 U.S. deserters in WWII and 100,000 British Deserters. Almost all because of psychological damage at the front lines.
Sounds like a common issue in the military, when soldiers get messed with too much they decide to stop killing.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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www.nytimes.com/.../the-deserters-a-world-war-ii-history-by-charles-glass.htm
50,000 U.S. deserters in WWII .
Interesting. Did the Republicans start screaming to leave them all behind?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The Five Taliban prisoners WERE Not Terrorists
Yeah, right. I bet a whole lotta women in Afghanistan can't wait for
them to become 'government' figures again.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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No sh#t, I don't believe that one either Dr F.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Yo chief, quit trying to act like abdullah loser is the worst human that ever walked the face of the Earth.
After all, our hands are clean.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Too bad these guys aren't a little more common in that military.
The Chief, I don't mind you man, I really don't. We're brothers in many ways. But you've gotta quit acting like the world is so black and white, and that you've got all the answers. If you did, the world would be fixed right now, but it ain't. So pipe the f*#k down once in a while instead of acting like a four star.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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If we kept him tied up Afghanistan would be all good for all time. Thanks chief.
Edit: yes, trying. He's not, nor ever will be the worst of the worst. Some of those boys live right here in your own country.
I didn't do shet. Bullsh#t. You're playing the harp like we just let 5 Hitlers go.
The women of Afghanistan have a thousand plus years of male as#@&%e culture to worry about, not this guy.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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The Taliban and Al-Quaeda are not the same thing, lest we forget.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Yeah I know chief, and I'm free to disagree with you til the end of time if I like.
You keep pretending like you have all the answers, that's what's priceless.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Wars, rumor of wars, wars to come.
Sure there are a lot that are bitter and resentful at the "System".
One needs to start who created this problem, the people who continued the surge and still do today.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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You sure do bitch like you have all the answers.
VA solutions? Remember that?
Not exchanging for Bergdahl?
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Chief
Tell me where this is. As for Carter same CIA guys under Reagan created that = your System as well.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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From Daily Kos
Wed Jun 04, 2014 at 06:01 AM PDT.
How Many Died Saving Bergdahl? Likely None.by thenekkidtruthFollow .
Email207 Comments / 207 New.A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
This from yesterday morning's New York Times, which clearly demonstrates that the probability that anyone died in the Bergdahl search effort is remote at best, and much more likely, non-existent. Let's do something virtually no other source seemed to be able to accomplish, and follow the truth crumbs to see where they lead.
Ok, here's the timeline:
1 - Bergdahl is discovered to be missing on 30 Jun 2009, and a search effort was launched immediately.
2 - The search effort was partly unmanned, leveraging "Predator drones, Apache attack helicopters and military tracking dogs." No one on this assignment was officially pronounced as a casualty during its tenure, nor, ultimately, at any point in time.
3 - The main search effort wound down after eight days, which would make it 08 Jul 2009 at the latest.
4 - Approximately two months later, two members of Third Platoon lost their lives (Bergdahl was with Second Platoon), and rank and file service personnel of Second Platoon apparently believed that Third Platoon's mission at the time involved the search for Sergeant Bergdahl.
Lieutenant Darryn Andrews and Private First Class Matthew Martinek, both of Third Platoon, lost their lives on 04 Sep 2009 and 11 Sep 2009 respectively.
5 - Did either of these servicepersons on routine patrols in tandem with Second Patrol lose their lives while officially searching for Bergdahl? Especially considering that the official search period concluded almost two months before, the possibility is unlikely, according to reliable sources:
A Defense Department official said it was unclear whether the two men were killed directly because of the search for Sergeant Bergdahl.
6 - American lives were lost on 04 Jul 2009 when a combat post was nearly over-run by Taliban forces, and "some soldiers" contended that enemy forces chose that date and time to conduct the operation because they were convinced that US forces would be divided due to the ongoing search for Bergdahl during that period.
Conducting "surprise" attacks on major holidays (in this case, US Independence Day) is a such a time-honored practice as to become so cliché as to be practically expected.
And once again, US Military Officers, who's function it is to provide answers to such questions, seem to disagree with the Taliban-attacking-during-a-Bergdahl-search conjecture:
American military officers said they saw no evidence that the Taliban started the attack on the outpost because they thought everyone would be out searching for Sergeant Bergdahl.
One Senior Officer in particular provides this analysis:
“This was a dangerous region in Afghanistan in the middle of the ‘fighting season,’ ” the officer said in an email, adding that although the search “could have created some opportunities for the enemy,” it is “difficult to establish a direct cause and effect.”
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That's it. There are no other potential tie-ins between the death of on-duty service personnel and the official search for Bergdahl. What we have here is a handful of soldiers insisting that the deaths occurred during such searches, while official military officer reports state otherwise.
I was never in the military, but I've interacted with them on an official basis for decades. A "troop" is a "mushroom", who is told the objective of the mission but not nature of it, which leads one to believe that deaths occurring on a purported official Bergdahl search effort was simply speculation. While yesterday's article in the NYT does make the claim that:
. . . some soldiers contend they were effectively searching for 90 days because of clear orders: If they heard rumors from locals that Sergeant Bergdahl might be nearby, they should patrol the area.
. . . nothing demonstrates - and most official reports contradict - the notion that service fatalities occurred while those persons were conducting an official search for Bergdahl.
If you do an online search, you'll find hundreds - if not thousands - of Bergdahl articles stating as "fact" that service personnel were killed in the rescue attempt. Any one of them could have done the same analysis using major published sources which I did, and it only took me ten minutes to work it all out.
The truth still counts, people.
Addendum: The always gracious POTUS apologized for breaking the rules and not informing the Legislative Branch of his decision to bring Bergdahl back within the specified 30-day timeframe. I'm asking why that apology was necessary.
First of all, what action could/should the Senate have taken if that 30-day notice was indeed given? I'm suggesting that it's a useless requirement that does nothing more than inflate Senate egos and decidedly gets in the way.
The President chose real leadership instead - rather than risk a delicate and carefully crafted and signed deal at the hands of political wolves, he simply took decisive action and apologized later. Which is just what he should have done.
6:15 AM PT: As if by magic, this morning's NYT agrees. Thanks to aoeu for providing the link: http://www.nytimes.com/...
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Can't imagine that's on the Mekong in Laos. Of course, that would've been far above my pay grade.
Incidentally, Bowe was taken within 30 minutes. I also believe. he didn't have movement orders. I was DMOS 71hotel. He's not a deserter per Army Regs.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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That's what it said on Liberal nooz tonight. Thirty minnits from jumping the wall. Desertion is a heavy word to casually bandy about.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Thanks Judge Bean.
It could be found that he is a deserter and will face severe punishment.
Thank God we didn't leave it up to his brother in arms, The Chief. He would've been executed already.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I don't give one sh#t about his party being canceled chief, but I'm sad you find that as evidence.
Thank God we didn't leave it up to his brother in arms, The Chief. He would've been executed already.
Fixed it back for ya, but thanks for trying to stifle my first amendment rights.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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How'd I do Shanghai?
Good god are you off; thought for sure you would be in the waters with your boat, ah! ship.
Try this one first it is now Hotel Meliá. That is Spanish. Reagan was really pissed and I mean really pissed when this happened. Goes back to his first term when Jimmie baby left.
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