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Bread
Trad climber
Craggy Mountains, NC
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Aug 22, 2011 - 11:56am PT
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Handguns are not good home protection weapons. I'm sure there were no loved ones anywhere else in the house during this confrontation, as the OP would not have taken that kind of risk of stray bullets passing through walls and harming those sleeping in other rooms. If so, stray bullets were a greater risk to family members than the bear.
Shotguns are better home protection weapons as they don't carry the kind of velocity that centerfire pistol cartridges have and thus don't penetrate walls like pistol bullets do.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:07pm PT
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Bread,
shotguns are like artillery; deployed from a fixed position into a known field of fire.
If Cragman had his wife and kids in a corner behind him and was covering the only way in then a shotgun is a good choice.
BUT,... if you have to go through doorways in the dark then a gun that requires 2 hands can become a liability. And what about a flashlight?
Better off with a pistol that has a light right on it leaving a hand free to work a doorknob or phone.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:12pm PT
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If anyone is looking to be offended, they should realize that around these parts, about any bear which shows up on a tree farm and starts scraping bark off the trees (this is very common and natural thing they do as they love licking the sap underneath the bark in the spring) can, will, and usually does get them killed in short order. Nothing to do with garbage, hunting season, or people, or being a threat like Deans bear was. If any bear simply becomes an economic pain to any tree farm, tree farmer gets a permit from Fish and Wildlife and that's it.
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Bread
Trad climber
Craggy Mountains, NC
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:17pm PT
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Discharging 5 rounds from a pistol within the confines of one's home is seldom a good idea. Even if you hit what you're aiming at, bullets could pass through the target, then pass though walls hitting a person in the next room, potentially resulting in an action one would have to live with the rest of their lives. Is a stray bear looking for food worth that kind of risk?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:21pm PT
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Blitzo looks naked without his pole , which can be a contact sport...
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Gene
climber
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:21pm PT
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DUDE!!!!!!!!! What I don't get is why you didn't shoot that bruin with a bunch of tranquilizer darts, fire up the Bobcat, load it into your truck, and cart it off to Animal Rescue.
There are a bunch of folks here I’d like to see adopt it.
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Bread
Trad climber
Craggy Mountains, NC
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:23pm PT
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Ron, a bullet can't pass through sheet rock?
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apogee
climber
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:26pm PT
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"Discharging 5 rounds from a pistol within the confines of one's home is seldom a good idea."
Umm, might want to re-read the OP. The bear was outside the house.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:46pm PT
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Never mind the handwringing monday morning quarterbacks.
When is Bearfest?
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:49pm PT
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"I did what any prudent person would have done. Period."
No, actually you didn't. But I get you are not smart enough to have thought of other options.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:50pm PT
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" When is bearfest" ? And what will the dress code be...Camo undies and plaid jammies..?
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Bread
Trad climber
Craggy Mountains, NC
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:51pm PT
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Umm, might want to re-read the OP. The bear was outside the house.
Oh, my bad. Still don't think rifles or pistols are good in home protection. Shots get to flying in the heat of battle and walls are thin.
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O.D.
Trad climber
LA LA Land
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:51pm PT
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A guy's gotta do what a guy's gotta do. Glad you & family are OK. It's a sad testament to the consequences of leaving out, or giving food to, wild animals.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 22, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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Shots get to flying in the heat of battle and walls are thin.
I grew up in the northern border of Oceanside, drive bys can be fun, too!
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jstan
climber
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Aug 22, 2011 - 01:00pm PT
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We, all of us pathetic, are sitting here doing worse than nothing. Screwing around with this bear.
We are finally seeing an end to the Iraq stupidity though our people are still getting shot to pieces in Afghanistan. Our economy is in the crapper at least partly because we tolerated outrageous fraud in our financial industry affecting each of us along with people all over the world. Unemployment and debt are out of control. Our medical system is permitted to overcharge by a thousand times when someone has no insurance.
And we do nothing because we can't agree on anything.
We are a joke.
I really hate having to say this.
But we are a joke.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Aug 22, 2011 - 01:15pm PT
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Hey Dean,
I'm that pinhead you refer to up thread.
Shooting a bear because you have to is not my gripe.
If anyone would second guess that situation, they were not there or dont understand.
Boasting on the intard net first thing afterwords, with your own press release photo and such is just lame. You say it was for scale and we understand the GRAND scale of it by your post.
There will be many more bears shot this season.
I'm glad that most of them are not sensationalized.
This thread should focus on the problem and not the glory.
EDIT. jstan - quit drifting or start another thread, its about the bears
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland
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Aug 22, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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oh spare us the doom and gloom Stannard, a bear is dead, it's not the end of the world.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 22, 2011 - 01:18pm PT
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+1 FF
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Aug 22, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
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Hi Ron,
Dont be misled by my avatar.
I have not posted to the trout thread and am not a fisherman.
But really, you compare the death of a bear and that of a fish to be the same?
The photo of the bear dead by itself in the driveway would of been enough but heck, then we wouldnt of got the scale.
EDIT. Dean can handle the heat , he's a good christian.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Aug 22, 2011 - 01:31pm PT
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Is this thread about bears or is it about some people not liking anything cragman does?
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