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nature
climber
Railay, Thailand
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May 19, 2011 - 09:10pm PT
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Wal-mart
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go-B
climber
Sozo
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May 19, 2011 - 09:14pm PT
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So much for flat...
Isaiah 40:21, Do you not know? Have you not heard?
Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 19, 2011 - 11:01pm PT
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Hinduism...
Unconvincing:
But maybe I can be persuaded on some of their prayer rituals:
But between you and me, that seems more like a 'heaven on earth' sort of deal...
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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May 21, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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Finally found it.
God's Funeral
I
I saw a slowly-stepping train --
Lined on the brows, scoop-eyed and bent and hoar --
Following in files across a twilit plain
A strange and mystic form the foremost bore.
II
And by contagious throbs of thought
Or latent knowledge that within me lay
And had already stirred me, I was wrought
To consciousness of sorrow even as they.
III
The fore-borne shape, to my blurred eyes,
At first seemed man-like, and anon to change
To an amorphous cloud of marvellous size,
At times endowed with wings of glorious range.
IV
And this phantasmal variousness
Ever possessed it as they drew along:
Yet throughout all it symboled none the less
Potency vast and loving-kindness strong.
V
Almost before I knew I bent
Towards the moving columns without a word;
They, growing in bulk and numbers as they went,
Struck out sick thoughts that could be overheard: --
VI
'O man-projected Figure, of late
Imaged as we, thy knell who shall survive?
Whence came it we were tempted to create
One whom we can no longer keep alive?
VII
'Framing him jealous, fierce, at first,
We gave him justice as the ages rolled,
Will to bless those by circumstance accurst,
And longsuffering, and mercies manifold.
VIII
'And, tricked by our own early dream
And need of solace, we grew self-deceived,
Our making soon our maker did we deem,
And what we had imagined we believed,
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'Till, in Time's stayless stealthy swing,
Uncompromising rude reality
Mangled the Monarch of our fashioning,
Who quavered, sank; and now has ceased to be.
X
'So, toward our myth's oblivion,
Darkling, and languid-lipped, we creep and grope
Sadlier than those who wept in Babylon,
Whose Zion was a still abiding hope.
XI
'How sweet it was in years far hied
To start the wheels of day with trustful prayer,
To lie down liegely at the eventide
And feel a blest assurance he was there!
XII
'And who or what shall fill his place?
Whither will wanderers turn distracted eyes
For some fixed star to stimulate their pace
Towards the goal of their enterprise?'...
XIII
Some in the background then I saw,
Sweet women, youths, men, all incredulous,
Who chimed as one: 'This is figure is of straw,
This requiem mockery! Still he lives to us!'
XIV
I could not prop their faith: and yet
Many I had known: with all I sympathized;
And though struck speechless, I did not forget
That what was mourned for, I, too, once had prized.
XV
Still, how to bear such loss I deemed
The insistent question for each animate mind,
And gazing, to my growing sight there seemed
A pale yet positive gleam low down behind,
XVI
Whereof, to lift the general night,
A certain few who stood aloof had said,
'See you upon the horizon that small light --
Swelling somewhat?' Each mourner shook his head.
XVII
And they composed a crowd of whom
Some were right good, and many nigh the best....
Thus dazed and puzzled 'twixt the gleam and gloom
Mechanically I followed with the rest.
Thomas Hardy (1840-1928 / Dorchester / England)
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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May 22, 2011 - 01:34am PT
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There once was a very elderly Zen Master, who, when approaching his end, went to a corner and stood on his head. A young monk asked what he was doing, and the master said "No one has died standing on his head, so I thought I would."
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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May 23, 2011 - 02:00pm PT
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There is nothing innerrent in the word "circle" when describing the circular earth. I understand it perfectly. Apparently, you do not know the difference between a circle and a sphere...
I often sit amongst a "circle" of people around a campfire.
See, a circle is a 2 dimensional (I.e., "flat" object).
See the pictute posted a page back that shows "Hebrew Cosmology", as that is what many believed, way back then, who couldn't think outside the box, I mean, umm, circle [jerk].
Saying that the Bible says no such thing either ignores it, or you are just not very fluent in your verse...
Daniel 4:7-8, "I saw a tree of great height at the center of the world. It was large and strong, with its top touching the heavens, and it could be seen from the ends of the earth."
"center" of the circle, and "from the ends" of that circle. I.e. Flat
Matthew 4:8, "The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence...."
How could Jesus see all of this from atop a mountain, unless the world were FLAT?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 23, 2011 - 02:12pm PT
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Just a quick note . . .
I'm going to take a break from ST for awhile. It is an incredible time sink. I won't be gone forever, but right now my family and my wife are my priority and my first love.
I'm taking a break. I will check in when I can.
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