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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 27, 2011 - 01:25pm PT
Just having a girlfriend isn't a "high crime, or misdemenor".

Lying while under oath is.

That's what made the impeachment stick.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 27, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
If John McCain had been elected President, do anyone believe the "left" would be in an

uproar over his being born outside the United States, in the Panama Canal Zone?


Think the "left" would be calling for his impeachment for not being a "real" American?

Yet Hawaii is not really part of the US, not one of the 50 States?


NOPE


It is really only the right wing that is so damn fearful, so damn factually ignorant.

And so easily manipulated to ultimately believe lies cleverly repeated over and over and over.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Feb 27, 2011 - 01:43pm PT
Uh, how could Gingrich threaten impeachment of Bush when he was not a Congressman?

Uh, probably the same way he's doing it now, since he's not in Congress at this time either....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 27, 2011 - 02:26pm PT
"Truth is a lie, repeated over and over and over."
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 27, 2011 - 02:54pm PT


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 27, 2011 - 09:49pm PT
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2011 - 10:08pm PT
Here is "An Open Letter to My Conservative Family & Friends," by Doug Reed.

Dear Friends and Family Who Lean Politically To The Right,

First and foremost, I love you. The bonds of family and friendship are stronger than the wedge that any politician can drive between us. In these divisive times, I think it's important that we keep telling each other that.

The Declaration Of Independence begins with these words: "When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another... a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

You may have noticed that my Facebook page has gone all-Wisconsin-politics-all-the-time. If you haven't already hidden me from your news feed, I feel that a decent respect for the opinions of my friends and family requires that I should declare the causes why I am throwing myself into the fight against this bill.

My politics are proudly liberal, but I strive to keep them from being knee-jerk Democratic party talking points. I have thrown my impassioned opposition toward the Wisconsin budget repair bill for some well-considered reasons, and I ask that you consider my position with an open mind.

This bill has several aspects which have not been reported in the national media. I will give you three of them.

1. This bill gives a politically appointed agency head the power to unilaterally make all Medicaid spending decisions behind closed doors with NO public input. I know a lot of my conservative friends and family hate Obamacare. This provision in Wisconsin's law should run chills down your spine.

I have friends on Medicaid. I have friends with an autistic daughter who can go to kindergarten because of her medical assistance. I have a friend with MS whose meds would cost her $52,000 a year if she had to buy them on the open market.

The standard comment to the "sob stories" of those on Medicaid is "why should I have to pay for their expensive health care?"

Because there but for the Grace of God go you and I.

If you have any form of insurance at all, you're paying for someone else's expensive health care/house fire/auto accident. You pay your premium with the hopes that you will never have to claim the benefits.

A lot of hardworking people have lost jobs and insurance during this recession. Medicaid is, for many of them, the last hope of medical care they have.

The thought that an anti-Medicaid activist (Dennis Smith, DHS Secretary) has sole powers over the state's assistance for her poorest and most vulnerable citizens chills me and should chill you, too.

(This is an aside about the "Obamacare" law. I support it. Under the current system, accountants from insurance companies make life-and-death decisions about our health care. If that power is moved to a government agency, there is at least some transparency and accountability to the public. If you disagree, please start another thread. This letter isn't about the national health care law, although every discussion I've had with a conservative about Wisconsin's budget has ended in an Obamacare debate. Why? I have no idea.)

2. This bill is not about elections having consequences. The protesters are the ones with Democracy on their side.

Wisconsinites knew on election night that there would be draconian cuts in state spending. We did not know that collective bargaining would be ended by executive decree.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinal did a study of every word that Scott Walker and his campaign uttered in public during the campaign. He never once mentioned ending collective bargaining rights for public employees. Not once.

You cannot claim a public mandate for a policy you concocted in secret.

Further, Mr. Walker introduced the bill on a Friday with the intention of jamming it through on the following Thursday with no public comment at all. He has, at every step of this process, subverted the normal process of legislation.

You may say "the Democrats who fled the state are subverting the normal process of legislation".

This is true.

In the Democrats' defense, and my state Senator is among them, denying a quorum was their only recourse to slow the hasty process and shine a light on the unsavory aspects of this bill. It's an extreme, but time-honored, legislative technique. Abraham Lincoln once jumped from a statehouse window in an attempt to deny the opposition a quorum.

I believe that unions should have collective bargaining rights under the law. You probably disagree. We should each vote for a candidate who makes the best case for the argument we agree with and settle this at the ballot box.

Aside from Scott Walker, who is now a nationwide tea party hero, no one in Wisconsin has benefitted from this, and no one voted for it.

3. There is a provision in the bill that allows the Governor (via his appointed department head) to sell state-owned heating, cooling, and power plants WITHOUT TAKING BIDS and with NO PUBLIC INPUT. The people of Wisconsin would then be at the mercy of whatever rates the new owners of the plants set.

If you're a conservative, and this provision had come from a Democrat (whose biggest campaign donors were power tycoons), how loud would you be howling?

This provision of the law is either gobsmackingly corrupt or screen-door-on-a-submarine stupid. Probably both. This provision is indefensible on any level.

These are three of the reasons I am passionately opposed to this bill. There are many, many others, but I realize that your attention span for Wisconsin state politics is limited, especially if you live out of state.

To sum up, I consider this bill morally wrong. Not only that, it does very little to balance the budget. That which it does, it does in the most politically vindictive way possible.

I thank you for taking the time to consider my arguments, and I would welcome a reasoned, fact-based debate on these, or any other points of political disagreement.

It's been my privilege to demonstrate peaceably beside students, teachers, steelworkers, plasterers, artists, programmers, police, and firefighters in both the public and private sectors throughout the last two weeks. If anything, it's made me appreciate how interconnected all of our labors are. Thank you for doing the work you do. Thank you for being the person you are.

With much love despite our differences, I remain,

Your cousin, son, brother-in-law, former student, fellow alma mater graduate, fellow bass-singing choir member, and fellow citizen.

Doug
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/05/952865/-WI:-Facebook-Friends-and-a-Powerful-Letter

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x563942
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
Wow, facts vs. GOP hyperbole really sucks . . .




Why employee pensions aren't bankrupting states
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/06/109649/why-employee-pensions-arent-bankrupting.html#ixzz1Fq55idqh

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2011/03/04/18/20110304_PENSIONS.small.prod_affiliate.91.jpg


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4759003
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 6, 2011 - 01:34pm PT
The GOP is at War Against the Heart of America (OT)


Are you still so stupid as to think that Obama gives a sh#t about you???

I would agree that mainstream, country-club Repubs are 'in the bank', but wake the f*#k up, man, the Dems play the same game. Just different tools they use.

Wake up!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2011 - 09:58am PT
If Pres. Obama doesn't help we will do it ourselves.

If he doesn't walk the picket line with American workers and support us like canidate Obama promised, then we will not forget.



MSNBC: Recall Wisconsin Governor Walker? - Rep. Obey w/ Cenk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMatM3KYVTY

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x560833








Hang in there WI Dem Senators and WI workers. The eyes of the World are watching.

You guys make me soooooooo proud. Thank you.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 9, 2011 - 01:00pm PT
They could have done that weeks ago: the workers long ago agreed to cuts.

If that is indeed the outcome, then this whole episode has been nothing but a black eye for Walker.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2011 - 10:25pm PT
The GOP is at War Against the Heart of America.

The GOP have broken the law in WI to bust Unions and to attempt to bring down the American worker. This was their plan all along. They are liars and criminals.

March. Strike. Recall. Stand-up for Workers Rights.

"This is our Pearl Harbor for Worker Rights."
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 9, 2011 - 10:28pm PT
Keep it up Klimmer.

The video of the mobs trashing the capital marble will run over and over pre election.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Mar 9, 2011 - 10:29pm PT
The GOP have broken the law in WI to bust Unions and to attempt to bring down the American worker.

Which law did they break exactly? I know it sucks, but representative democracy doesn't always go the way you want.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2011 - 10:39pm PT
You haven't been paying attention. Watch MSNBC. Rachel Madddow. Ed Shultz.

The GOP broke the law to illegally meet and vote to take away collective bargaining tonight, the vote went 18-1 without democrats.

You have to have a 24 hour notice for the type of vote they did by WI law. They didn't do that. They were called on it also many, many times, by (D) Rep. Peter Barca. They showed the video from the WI capital. They violated the open meetings law. It was a violation of open meetings law. The law is very clear.

They will be seeking legal recourse tomorrow morning.


They are thugs. They are trying to strip workers of their rights. They are trying to crush Unions, and thereby crush the Democratic party. Unions support Democrats.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Mar 9, 2011 - 10:42pm PT
OK, but what law? specifically.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 9, 2011 - 10:45pm PT
Ms Madcow in her expert legal opinion said they broke a law.


That should be good enough for you.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2011 - 10:55pm PT
Reading comprehension . . .

You have to have a 24 hour notice for the type of vote they did by WI law. They didn't do that. They were called on it also many, many times, by (D) Rep. Peter Barca. They showed the video from the WI capital. They violated the open meetings law. It was a violation of open meetings law. The law is very clear.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Mar 9, 2011 - 10:59pm PT
I want a citation of law that is being applied here, not what someone THINKS the law is.

"READING COMPREHENSION"

Drop the attitude.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 9, 2011 - 11:01pm PT
You have to have a 24 hour notice for the type of vote they did by WI law. They didn't do that. They were called on it also many, many times, by (D) Rep. Peter Barca. They showed the video from the WI capital. They violated the open meetings law. It was a violation of open meetings law. The law is very clear.

You're being disengenuous, dude. The notice was posted on the legislative billboard. If the child-like, chickenshit Dems run to an anonymous location, how can they be served the notice?

That's why it was posted on the legislative billboard. They don't know where they other half of gov't is. They bailed!!!!

And now you wanna blame Repubs? That is f*#king laughable!
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