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dirtbag
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Jan 30, 2011 - 01:49pm PT
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Dirtbag-
The "visible portion" that you mention is but the tip of the iceberg; it's the associated cost to the hospitals, doctors, laboratories, etc. of malpractice insurance hidden in their fee schedules
That's not what I've heard.
And btw, worry about jobs first. It's a huge ass recession: deficits are supposed to go up until tax rolls catch up.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 02:13pm PT
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Oh, notice that it came from ultra-liberal SF Chron, not any other source.
The ultra-liberal SF Chron you oh so love to quote?
"America, Israel will protect you"...... as long as Rand Paul doen't have his way.
Bwhhhhahahahahahahah!
You are a joke, Jeff.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 30, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
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Iran was lost well before Carter came into office. He just happened to be there when the seeds planted by the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected Mosaddegh government came to fruition.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 02:51pm PT
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But then factor in that the main opposition to Mubarak is hamas and the muslim brotherhood,
Yeah, that's pretty much all I needed to know. Where is the 'world support' for the peolple of Nigeria? Thailand? The Phillipines? How about Venezuela? Cuba? North Korea? Mexico??
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:04pm PT
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Dirtbag-
Yes, this time you've come closer to hitting the nail--er--piton(?) right on the head. It IS all about jobs, and why have we exported them all to China with all of Wally World's money? I've said it many times: time to reinstitute import tariffs; actual Constitutional taxation. That will stop the export of jobs, create revenue for the government, and ultimately renew national prosperity.
The fact is, our international image has been declining as our reliance on foreign capital (loans) has increased.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:10pm PT
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Bluey-
I suspect that the "Muslim Brotherhood" has been fomenting overthrow of governments in all of the ME countries. Whether or not they have sufficient popularity among the masses is another thing entirely. I hope they don't have that much clout.
I truly hope that a populist movement and truly free elections can result in a freer people, but I somehow doubt that will happen. There have seldom been "power vacuums."
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:26pm PT
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the muslim brotherhood is a responsible organization that has renounced terrorist tactics years ago. please do not confuse them with al-Qaeda. efforts will be made by some to blur that distinction.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:34pm PT
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Ahad-
I generally become concerned with religious groups and their roles in overthrowing governments. Peaceful or not, I don't believe in cumpulsion to be of a particular religion.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:43pm PT
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time will tell.
Most perceptive comment so far...
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:44pm PT
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Broken,
I am pointing out that efforts will be made in the US media (it's already been common) to equate the Muslim Brotherhhod with a terrorist group. This is far from the truth. If you like the Brotherhood has an english language website. Scroll down and you will find a topic Muslim Brotherhood vs AQ
Thank you
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/
Hamas is viewed a terrorist organization by the US and israel. much of the world and certainly most palestinians view them as freedom fighters and the democratically elected gov't of their people.
of course you understand historical zionist leaders such as Begin were deemed terrorists at one time by Britan. google king david hotel if you like
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:45pm PT
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You actually believe the 10:00 NEWS? BWAAAHHAHAHAHAH!
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:53pm PT
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Tank drivers aren't allowed to flatten people holding pompoms.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 03:54pm PT
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This all began with the people of Egypt; and not the Muslim Brotherhood.
It was days after protests began that the Muslim Brotherhood (Independents) announced its intention to support the protesters.
There once was a National Socialist party that appealed to many disenfranchised people too. They had lost faith in their bankrupt gov't. They too were promised hope of a new beginning.
Time will tell? Smarter people can see through this. Eqypt is one of the more moderate and modern Islamic countries. You wanna start "democratic change" there??
How about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, and Somalia? Start there!@
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:02pm PT
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According to KerBleuy, the people of Egypt should have marched on Iran first.
Brilliant.
No, dipsh#t, I implied our State Dept should be pressuring real 'problem countries', not deposing allies.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:12pm PT
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This is a really great thread: I find that I can even occasionally agree with A.C. on some issues! I can agree with Bluey on some issues. I can disagree with Fatty on some issues. And I can probably alienate everyone on some issues! Fascinating!!
The ME has been one FU mess ever since oil was discovered and the Sheiks started driving Mercedes.
My bottom line however, is the populist movement must be allowed to prevail without U.S. State Department meddling, and for sure the CIA stays out.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:15pm PT
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My bottom line however, is the populist movement must be allowed to prevail without U.S. State Department meddling, and for sure the CIA stays out.
I agree, but good luck with that. There is too much at stake for the SD and the CIA to not intervene. It's the Suez canal, man....
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tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:25pm PT
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thankyou to the people who have provided more information on this issue. i really enjoyed what reilly posted on the first page from the economist, just about social media as a vice for democracy.
it is unfortunate that there is so much name calling and blabber to weed through on this site that i didn't have the patience to read much more after that. like a bunch of loud kids in the class so happy to hear their own voice, they prevent others from learning.
i listened to friday's democracy now podcast. interesting that the government has shut down cell phones, internet, ect. that in and of itself really illuminates what kind of regime is in there. also that although the leader wears business suits, his background is in the military.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:32pm PT
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i listened to friday's democracy now podcast. interesting that the government has shut down cell phones, internet, ect. that in and of itself really illuminates what kind of regime is in there. also that although the leader wears business suits, his background is in the military.
Nice to see where you get your "news" from. Do you realize how many US presidents also wore a military uniform and went on to perform admirably in the Chief's Office?
You, like I, obviously have a strong bias on the issue. I'd ask you to look at my previous posts where bleeding-hearts, like yourself, have no mention of saving more desperate people. People getting raped, mutilated, and worse.
Where's you silly bleeding heart there??? Have you no compassion?
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:34pm PT
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"the muslim brotherhood is a responsible organization that has renounced terrorist tactics years ago. please do not confuse them with al-Qaeda. efforts will be made by some to blur that distinction."
Agreed
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