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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:24am PT
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i hear you BD.
i feel for you. my grandpas both had ranches and herded sheep. my dad was a vet. mom was a farm girl.
you guys in Big Wonderful probably got it worse from the perspective of political clout than idahoans, but apparently, you WYomingites need to drink the koolaid too...your screwed. AC and others are out after their own political best thinking agendas that dont have a clue about the trials of a small time rancher like yourself.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:31am PT
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Hawk, Broke--don't you realize that an old wino living somewhere else knows more than you?
Get with the program; being there is not as important as telling people that you were there (sarc) !
edit: Hahaha! AC posts a 10 year-old report and wants you to accept it as fact--wine all around to the greying fools!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:39am PT
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come on ac 1997?
The success of the recovery program has exceeded FWS expectations and has prompted Secretary Babbitt to announce that further reintroductions will not be necessary in the northern Rocky Mountain area. While some losses of wolves have occurred, the rate of mortality in the wolf populations has been far lower than anticipated. Several wolves have been killed illegally, with others dying from natural causes or accidents, or being destroyed by FWS and ADC for repeated attacks on livestock. In addition, wolf packs in both Yellowstone and Idaho have produced several successful litters in the breeding seasons since their release. The Yellowstone population now approaches 100 wolves and the central Idaho population has grown to approximately 70 wolves. In northwestern Montana, where populations have naturally immigrated from Canada, FWS estimates there to be 100 - 120 wolves. Thus, recovery goals may be met ahead of schedule and at lower cost.
fact is, the experts had little clue about how successful wolves would be in the wild.
what most folks who live near wild areas want is to not have their lives/livlihood impacted by wolves and are calling for more proactive management.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:40am PT
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Never mind the above post by a drunken genius who can't answer his own (or others) questions.
Come to Montana, the cheapest wolf kill that money can buy--hill, I know of a dozen ranchers that will pay you to shoot them; forget buying the tag and going legit!
edit: A few simple answers of easy questions may save you here, Matthew (but I doubt that you can keystroke the query results).
My son in Kindergarten can explain your reactions, AC--keep it up, he's writing a synopsis of you...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:40am PT
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have another drink of whine AC, we are still waiting for your "PEAK"
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:45am PT
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No, AC--just your answers, pretty simple really.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:45am PT
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no nanny needed. the drunk ass whineohh (you) is providin all teh inertainment we can stans
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:49am PT
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Give Crowley a break--he picks up Yosemite garbage in a florescent vest. That (in his mind) is all the credibility he needs.
Just like fatty, his buddy.
edit: Crowley-dude, you can't even justify your position; don't even dare to posit questions. My wife does that when she is wrong and it is SOOO pathetic. Account, answer, defend and move on...
...Kindergarten, remember?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:53am PT
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The wolf had the enormous Tule Elk herds of central California to prey upon
in its pristine state before the gun was introduced.
It was estimated that half a million Tule Elk roamed these regions and that the grandness of the scene has only been likened to what is seen in the Serengeti.
Spanish brought cattle and horses which escaped and formed large uncontrolled herds of feral animals. Reports from the 1830s and 1840s mention the San Joaquin prairies swarming with wild horses and Sonoma County abounding with wild cattle and horses (Wagner 1989).
More wolf food.
http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/courses/Fall00Projects/tule_elk.html
http://californiarangeland.ucdavis.edu/Publications%20pdf/CRCC/California%20Native%20Grasslands%20-%20A%20Historical%20Perspective.pdf
The sight of elk on a California landscape exerts a powerful emotional
pull.
The enormous antlers, the furry neck and size of this creature,
standing tall in the grass, evoke a time when wildlife outnumbered people.
Glad the wolf is gone though.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:53am PT
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ac, my sister lives on the border of the lee metcalf wilderness. wolf tracks in her yard. lower elk populations.
i was grown up worrying about the little guy. but you guys in cali can fly your flag with the extinct bear on it with all the glory you got coming....
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:55am PT
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AC: I'll out AID you, Free you, Boulder you, and THINK you every time.
Drink another glass of Red courage, and reminisce about when you actually sweated on the stone...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:59am PT
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thank you AC!
coming from someone who has their head up their ass and whole net worth is their ST reputation i take that as a compliment!
EDIT:
read base 104's post again AC, you might learn something.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:14am PT
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i ran into wolf cubs in the spring, in an area of WA state that had no known wolf packs, but a huge elk population. this was about 5 years ago. they were in a clea cutting area on a remote dirt road.
i called the FS. they had no clue. others i talked with wanted me to alert the "activist" groups to shut the logging down. not that i care for clear cuts, but hey, i live in a wood house like most of you.
point is that wolves are intelligent, hunt and reproduce well. better than the large ungulates that they feed on. they are multiplying and doing better than anyone ever imagined cuz bioloigists didnt figgger that into the equation.
the thing that most folks want out of any discussion is reason from both sides..............BUT THAT AINT FUN, NOR SPORTING. much better to bitch to everyone and argue...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:18am PT
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Hey. I am sad that it came to this, but humans are going to keep on screwing and eating and nothing is going to stop it until the temps rise or we simply devour all of our natural resources. Some species adapt very well to our presence and prosper. Others we try to keep from going extinct like life support.
Then we may all go back to living in teepees in the U.S. like the natives did. Hell, we might even be happier that way. I would rather be out in a teepee right now instead of typing in here while surrounded by a bunch of humming computers.
But altruism is not a trait of the human race.
yep, fortunately, or unfortunately, we are "more advanced" than most species and therefore we look after ourselves first. whether that is right or wrong may be open to debate....
the really stupid thing is that we would rather argue than try and figure out a way to solve issues....look at DC for that
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:23am PT
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ac, i got to hand it to you....you are a belligerant determined SOB! so WTF? prove a minor point in your masterdebate while blowing off the hard questions of others? nice! you prove my point!?
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:26am PT
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"So....
What is the current YNP area population, and how does it compare to the 2009 kills?"
Sir AC--YOU can't even answer simple subjective questions; you have no standing to ask any.
Except for changing the subject, and re-directing with accusations. The hysterics that entertain would make my Kindergarten son run to the playground--school is out, let the revelry begin for recess!
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pc
climber
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:28am PT
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Just checking back in after being out for a day...Wow...You guys really know how to party.
I do believe this thread is indicative of a recurring theme here on the Taco:
'What we have here is a failure to..... 'step away from the keyboard'.'
- pc (in my best drill sergeant key tapping voice)
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:29am PT
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the issues are that some of the "affected folks" ought to have more say in dealing with a growing wolf population than you f*#ks in california that have an extinct bear on their flag.....it is less of an issue for them than it is you, a love of all furry animals.
(I already said i liked all teh furry animals, i was overjoyed to see wolves in the wild and hear them)
but I am not individually affected. but if i were i might feel different, about killing wolves that is...what i mean is, dont force feed your thoughts on people that are more individually affected than you are.
lastly, i dont expect you to get that. what i propose is actually listening and respect for others and we all know that is a thread killer and doesnt win votes...f*#k you need another drink, i will buy you one or three...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:32am PT
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thanks AC! need another drink!? where do i have it shipped?
ah f*#k, they dont deliver at the insane asylum do they? sorry man, maybe you can cry out fro an injection of some kind....
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:32am PT
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Good observation, pc:-)
The way to establish standing is thus:
I have, I think, I've done, I've seen, I've been involved in....
Matthew doesn't start sentences this was because he does none of the aforementioned.
I miss arguing with my wife--at least she adds content.
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