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edejom

Boulder climber

Butte, America

Nov 12, 2010 - 09:54am PT

Interesting that nobody is questioning the "ten minutes" time reference by the helicopter pilot. Was he checking his watch during the event, or trying to fly/hover and not wreck the ship? Granted, he could glance at the event on and off, but I doubt that he was gawking at it from one position for very long.

Ten minutes...hit you stop watch and sit watching something for 10 minutes.

Then do it while operating an aircraft in controlled air space.

Too much credibility attached to a random news copter pilot, imo

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Nov 12, 2010 - 10:00am PT

GUD one, locker. 8 on a scale of 10, but go for the 14c's.

i'm disappointed the chinese weren't involved. i'm afraid mr. madsen may have suffered a sucker punch from the honey pot.

let's indulge in further speculation. i can't believe they're stupid enough to think they can shoot one of these pups off the coast of los angeles without anyone noticing. i suspect it was a test, not of a submarine missile, which can be done anywhere in the wide pacific by people with fingers able to push buttons, but of los angeles and its reaction. does anyone care? how close to absolute zero are i.q.'s of television reporters covering it? how long can the military get away with denial? will anyone lift a finger to call a congressman? what's the blog buzz? is graniteclimber worthy of his illuminatus assignment?

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ya see, fellers, if it WUZ an arrow-plane, it WUZZN cleared by ATC. BITD they'd scramble american taxpayer paid-for fighter jets to intercept unauthorized air traffic, especially in as sensitive an airspace as the takeoff zone for LAX. BITD, a news reporter would have been told by the FAA that, yes, that was an arrow-plane we were well aware of, go back to snorting cocaine in venice after work. that all ended with 9/11. nowadays, nobody even tries. better just to poke your fingers up peeplz arzes at LAX, make sure these unauthorized airplanes don't blow up from the inside.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Nov 12, 2010 - 10:12am PT

it's a generic warning which covers the approach to the busiest harbor on the west coast...

the US Navy already said they weren't doing anything out there

I am not expert at reading the notices, however, the dates in the report correspond to the week of the issue... I don't have any idea what the date on the cover means... maybe someone who actually does understand that can post

but by all means, klimmer, maintain your staunch view that the end is near...

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Nov 12, 2010 - 10:31am PT

ed, ya gotta understand that the government has control over the dimension of time which physicists have long lusted after. this is done by making appropriate marks on paper. you can even control when things happen after they happen! amazing, huh?

hooblie

climber

from where the anecdotes roam

Nov 12, 2010 - 10:40am PT

i like they way t-bird thinks. first comes the event, then the story, followed by the meta-story from which effect will emerge. history is what gets recorded quite apart from what happened. either way, at the heart of this story lies
one guy with a toothpick and another messing with a hangnail, neither with a clue

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Nov 12, 2010 - 10:51am PT

do tell us more about the hangnail and the toothpick. just two guys? i know, one pilots the submarine, the other launches the missiles.

nature

climber

Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!

Nov 12, 2010 - 11:00am PT

he used the toothpick to push the button.

monolith

climber

Berkeley, CA

Nov 12, 2010 - 11:35am PT

Yes, Klimmer, that's a missile test zone. No one denies that.

That warning was in every notice I checked, about 6 of them, going back 4 months.

Vessels entering that area during those times need to contact the controlling authority. They may have to alter course if there is a test.

It's a standard warning. Nothing special going on.

And to remind you the pic on the left below is a webcam shot of America West Flight 808, Hawaii to Phoenix, 24 after the 'mystery' event on the right:

And from 12/31 of 2009:

See all the pics here as GC pointed out earlier.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 12, 2010 - 12:15pm PT

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Nov 12, 2010 - 01:19pm PT

So we have proved that the exhaust/vapor plume of the missile launch on 11-8-10 was in the heart of the missile launch area just off the West Coast coast of Pt. Conception, West of Vandenburg AFB in the Pacific Ocean. Indeed the GOES IR animation from 11-8-10 shows that it is right in the heart of the missile test region in the Pacific Ocean.

From before:

Monolith posted this in the other missile/rocket thread . . .

GOES IR 11-08-10 Animation Gif:

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1860776&cid=34176978

Zoom in using browser to 400% and hit escape button at anytime to stop animation. You can see the exhaust/vapor plume begin way out in the Pacific immediately west of Pt. Conception.

Seems to me it blooms right out of the ocean, with a short hooked shape, and the exhaust immediately widens quickly. Then the whole exhaust/vapor mass drifts South-Eastward toward the coast.

Note from the bloom of exhaust/vapor trail, it is wide from the SE and narrows to the NW again indicating that it took-off toward the NW after launch from the ocean.

More evidence that it was a missile launch out at sea.

Here it is launching to the NW away from Los Angeles. Also note the specular light emitted from a single point source of light. Many of these specular flashes are visible in the video footage. This isn't reflected light but emitted light from the missile rocket engine:

Full footage of the KCAL original footage.

Mystery Rocket Launch Reported On Chinese News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SFTXJWV-I
RT: Mystery missile launch off California coast: Comes from submarine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AMdHBgHtNE
Raw Video: Mysterious Missile Launch Off California Coast
http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/8541061/22944634
Raw Video: Mystery Missile Appears over Southern California. Helicopter CAM "no audio"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAZLYn44FeQ&feature=related

Gonna use some meteorology.

Note first of all the Cirrus cloud illuminated from below glowing pink in alpine glow (alpenglow). How high are Cirrus clouds in temperate zones, the mid-latitudes?

High Clouds: (Family A)
16,500 and 40,000 ft (5,000 and 12,000 m) in the temperate regions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud

That rocket is behind and above the pink fully illuminated Cirrus cloud. We can watch it travel behind the cirrus cloud in the video footage. It is not coming toward the city of L.A. but going away from the California coast in a WNW direction.

How is this true?

Because the contrail/vapor trail from the rocket is backlit from the setting sun. Note the edges of the contrail are illuminated and the central column is dark. That means it is backlit and the rocket contrail/vapor trail is getting lite up from beneath and behind. Note how the contrail gets lighter in color as it goes higher. As the rocket is getting higher, it is getting more and more into direct sunlight.

The specular emitted flashes from a single point source of light we see are the rocket engine. At times it gets obscured by the contrail/vapor trail and we lose sight of it because it is going up and away from the CA coast in a WNW direction.

It is a rocket.

If it was a jet contrail and the jet was flying toward the CA coast, the entire contrail would be illuminated evenly just as the cirrus cloud easily is that is below it.

Pentagon: ‘Mystery Missile’ Contrail Was Probably Airplane
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2010/11/10/pentagon-mystery-missile-contrail-was-probably-airplane/

Sure it was. Read the comments. Nobody is buying it.

Now you are gonna get schooled . . .

Now use the following 2 NOAA calculators (correctly) and tell me the local or UTC time for Sunset from Los Angeles, CA, for 11-8-10. And then using this same date and time tell me the Solar Position of the Sun at Sunset relative to L.A. I already know the answer, but you are gonna have to do it yourself. So tell me just how does the setting Sun on 11-8-10 from the WSW (250 degrees clock-wise from the North on 11-8-10) light up a contrail going from East to West from the NW or WNW (315 degrees or 292.5 degrees) relative to LA as though the sun is illuminating it from the NW on 11-8-10? It can't. The exhaust/vapor plume from the rocket is back-lit, problem solved.

That or either we have a secret underwater airport and jets fly out of the ocean and ascend at a 70 degree angle to the horizon, and flicker giving off emitted glowing specular light. Dang it the engine must have caught on fire. Hate it when that happens (sarcasm).

Sunrise/Sunset Calculator:
http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/sunrise.html

Solar Position Calculator:
http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/azel.html

Do some thinking for yourself (using Critical Thinking skills) and prove that I'm wrong.

The event happened right in the middle of the missile test zone at the proper time allowing it and the US Navy just isn't admitting it yet.

You guys are suckers.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Nov 12, 2010 - 01:29pm PT

Glenn, if you're so sure of these fantasies of yours, why don't you attach your real name to them?

dirtbag

climber

Nov 12, 2010 - 01:31pm PT

It's the aliens. Or the illuminati. Or the NWO. It was all predicted in the Bible codes (gee y'all skipped that part, sheeple).

I'm hiding under the covers tonight.

monolith

climber

Berkeley, CA

Nov 12, 2010 - 01:39pm PT

Sure it was. Read the comments. Nobody is buying it.

I did read the comments, Klimmer. Quite a few said it was a plane.

Were you lying, or just don't read well?

No one can prove you wrong Klimmer, you will just shuffle the tea leaves and come up with a new 'analysis'.

nevenneve

Trad climber

Back somewhere flat, dammit

Nov 12, 2010 - 01:40pm PT

Straight out of the pages of fiction (but misquoted)

It pays to get in bad with your marks, as their emotions cool off they tend to believe what you present them with and begin an easy friendship with it. More importantly you are inside their bubble and they begin to tell you everything they accept as fact.

I really need to stop reading such pulp about adventurers and secrets the government keep.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Nov 12, 2010 - 01:44pm PT

Hey, no need to bring in any ad hominem attacks. Ok, I did say suckers. Dang it. My bad.

We have all the empirical evidence we need to know that the exhaust/vapor plume is going to the WNW - NW and it came right from the heart of the missile test zone off the CA coast. And the flashes of emitted specular light do not suggest an aircraft, unless of coarse they now do take off out of the ocean at 70 degrees. Might want to see if we lost that phantom jet though. The engine was on fire. Probably went down and we lost 100s of people. (Sarcasm)

No Aliens, no faith, or religion, no Bible Codes or anything else needed in this particular situation. However, you do need discernment to know when you are being lied to. Does our government sometimes lie? Do I really have to prove that again and again?

monolith

climber

Berkeley, CA

Nov 12, 2010 - 01:47pm PT

The 'plume' in the IR loop is being driven south/southeast by the prevailing winds Klimmer. Of course that will make everything look like it was going about north/northwest.

You will notice everything else in the area was going southerly as well.