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Bob D'A
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Boulder, CO
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Sep 22, 2010 - 03:48pm PT
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John wrote: Since congress, not the president, makes fiscal policy, perhaps you should re-color your chart based on the majority party in congress.
That is so funny. What have you learned in the last year or two??
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aa-lex
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Sep 22, 2010 - 03:49pm PT
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The thing that bothers me about some people on the "left" on this site is that they make these statements towards the "right" claiming they do not back their statements up with evidence. Yet half of the people supporting the "left" on here make statements without supporting evidence just the same. It seems like they can't drink their own water. I don't get it. What the f makes them so special that they need not supply evidence?
People like Riley just make lots of claims, yet have supplied no supporting evidence, but the rest of the people here take no notice because he supports them. They just slam LEB some more. WTF?
This is clearly NOT a fair discussion of politics, but a way for the "left" to slam the "right."
Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending the "right." I just think the "left" should be held as accountable as they expect the "right" to be.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 22, 2010 - 03:52pm PT
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aa-lex:
Agreed that both sides should present evidence. Next time you see it happen, request some evidence.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 22, 2010 - 03:54pm PT
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well aa-alex,
is CNN liberal? Left leaning?
the other night they checked facts on political ads dealing with the Dleware Queen and they said her ad was partially true but the Democratic ad was totally false.
I call that fair and balanced.
the point of this thread has to do with people who suck up FOX news propaganda without thought. Another CNN story last night? the deleware queen was interviwed on FOX news....no tough questions and she will not appear on CNN.....WHY?
yes you got it, because FOX has a political agenda and there are other news outlets that WANT to ask some of these teabaggers questions but the republicans cry foul when cornered.
all in the name of fair and balanced of course...
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aa-lex
climber
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
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Hawkeye:
Yeah I might agree that FOX has a political agenda but it is the viewers responsibility to decipher what he/she believes and lets influence their decisions. I also think the "left" represented here on the taco has a political agenda.
Bob D'A:
Thanks. I appreciate the link.
Locker:
I don't think that government should intrude into media. This only leads to worse censorship issues. People need to do more work and find out what they believe to be true based on ALL sides of any given issue.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:09pm PT
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Yeah I might agree that FOX has a political agenda but it is the viewers responsibility to decipher what he/she believes and lets influence their decisions.
You think the "might" have a political agenda. Might? Are you kidding me? Is that why every time I tune in to that channel they have Glen Beck making statements that Obama hates white people? Might? Is there some other agenda you think they have? It's certainly not to provide Edward R. Murrow style journalism.
And sure I can accept the caveat that it's up to the viewer to decipher what's true and what's not. However, shouldn't a fundamental aspect of journalism be that the information presented--unless it's presented purely as an opinion piece-- be fact checked and accurate? Isn't that the role of journalism? To present the facts and then let the public decide.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:14pm PT
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Don't these dumb ^$#!!##!!..understand that Obama just got handed the worst economy is 70 years and to add insult to injury two UNPAID wars on top of that?? He also got handed a republican party of obstruction towards any and all of his policies.
It is amazing to me he has been this successful. Go Obama!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:15pm PT
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"Center on Budget and Policy Priorities’ analyses have found that in aggregate, the President’s proposals would reduce deficits over the 2011-2020 period by an estimated $1.3 trillion."
In light of Fat Dad's comment, above, do you think the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities has no political agenda?
As for control of Congress, it certianly can stymie a President's agenda, as it did from January 2007 through January 2009. Having a president and congress of the same party doesn't allow dictatorial rule, but it certianly allows a greater amount of one's policy, appointments and legislation to pass than having a divided government does (see Jan. 20, 2009 ff.)
John
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
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John wrote: As for control of Congress, it certianly can stymie a President's agenda, as it did from January 2007 through January 2009. Having a president and congress of the same party doesn't allow dictatorial rule, but it certianly allows a greater amount of one's policy, appointments and legislation to pass than having a divided government does (see Jan. 20, 2009 ff.)
John...you are really funny...they predicted back when the Bush tax cuts would add to the deficit...they were right. Funny but republican deficit hounds still voted for them.
They also stated that Bush's prescrition plan would add greatly to the deficit and the republican deficit hounds still voted for them.
Hypocrisy rules in your two faced party.
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aa-lex
climber
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
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Bob D'A and jghedge:
Yeah good links. Surely enlightening. Did make me realize why I was not an econ major though.
Fat Dad:
I guess what I mean is that I don't really watch enough FOX to make a decision for myself. I do see valid points in some arguments here. But because you tell me that FOX lies doesn't mean I believe you.
Yes. I do agree that good journalism takes no sides. But I also fundamentally believe that the government shouldn't regulate this for us. I would like to see that the people of America can make informed decisions on their own. Maybe a pipe dream but whatever....
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
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cc: Kid - Do you suppose greedy citizens can spend their own hard earned money more effectively in their day to day lives
than a greedy government can?
Yes. I also think I can spend my own hard earned money more effectively than the capitalists on Wall Street. I wish I could keep what I earn rather than have it siphoned of by some parasitic leech billionaires.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:24pm PT
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John...what huge majority did the democrats have in the senate in 2006/2007??
Didn't Bush use his veto power for the first time in 2006??
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:37pm PT
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. But I also fundamentally believe that the government shouldn't regulate this for us.
Did someone here say that we should regulate fox news? I know Skip said that that was what Obama said, but it wasn't, and I don't recall anyone here who doesn't like fox news calling for them to be regulated. Obama just gave an opinion about Fox news. He backed up his belief in not regulating such companies by giving them a seat at the white house press room. That appears to me to be fair and balanced. Something fox news claims they are, but has been shown by the many links on this thread, that they aren't.
by the way.. did you look at any of the links given on this thread that highlight fox news bias and lies? The one on the photos is very telling.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
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LEB wrote: Well since Obama is doing such a great job (per Bob) and everything is so peachy keen and wonderful, WHY, then, are fellow Democrats who are up for re-election avoiding him as though he is radioactive? He is not exactly "Mr. Popularity" when it comes to any Democratic office holder who is up for re-election this Nov (which is quite a few of them). They are distancing themselves from him. Why? Maybe they don't want guilt by association.
Simple..the same way the republicans avoided Reagan in 1982 during high unemployment and a recession.
Oh...the democrats gained 27 seats in the house that year.
Stop with your emotional tirades and post something factual.
LEB wrote:Some might even still be getting tingly feelings running up their legs.....
Which is more than likely a "dead zone" for you.
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aa-lex
climber
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Sep 22, 2010 - 04:43pm PT
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Yeah I saw the photos. Yes they are compelling, but I still really haven't seen enough of the actual programs to fully support being anti-FOX. So I'm skeptical, sue me. Don't worry - I'm just as skeptical when "right wing nut jobs" talk at me.
I believe it was locker who stated that he would like to see the banning of taking sides. And you claim that FOX takes sides, so therefore they would fall under that regulation. But not stated outright - you are correct.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 22, 2010 - 05:11pm PT
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There is NO "regulation" that says that a cable station, Fox News, cannot
"take sides", as you put it.
Fox News can do whatever it wants on cable, since cable is a paid service,
Fox News is protected by the First Amendment of free speech.
Fox News makes no apology, and indeed is publicly proud of, being the cable new programs of the Republican party.
They endorse ONLY Republicans for elected positions in this country, and their
agenda since their inception, is to promote the party platform of the GOP.
Perhaps if one actually spent time watching their programming, one would
be better able to make a personal decision if the above are true statements.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 22, 2010 - 05:19pm PT
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Hey Aa-lex, Sorry if you thought I was talking "at" you. I didn't mean to. I do see now where Locker called for some form of regulation. I don't think that Lockers opinion represents how the majority of liberals think and he is free to have his opinion.
I wish I knew how to get past all of the anger as I get caught up in it also. It is tiresome.
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