9/11 belief, mythology, and the unknowable (OT)

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Port

Trad climber

San Diego

Jun 30, 2010 - 05:45pm PT

I like how everyone thinks they're an expert in engineering and physics.....its ridiculous.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jun 30, 2010 - 05:51pm PT

Rok,
Enought with the gel! This isn't "Something about Mary"! Jet A is not gelled! You might be confusing it with JP-7 which the SR-71 used but jet A aint't close to that.

"Commercial jet fuel, known as Jet-A, is pure kerosene and has a flashpoint of 120 degrees Fahrenheit (49 degrees Celsius). It is a high-quality fuel, however, and if it fails the purity and other quality tests for use on jet aircraft, it is sold to other ground-based users with less demanding requirements, like railroad engines. Commercial jet fuel as well as military jet fuel often includes anti-freeze to prevent ice buildup inside the fuel tanks."

It goes boom reel gud!

monolith

climber

Berkeley, CA

Jun 30, 2010 - 05:51pm PT

I do admire your persistence RokJox, but you should quit while you've got a head, brainless as it is.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Jun 30, 2010 - 05:53pm PT

Coz,

Read all about "Operation Northwoods" from the official Gov archives. It has now been released. I think you will find your answer and what they are willing to do, and capable of doing.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

If we were willing to do that in the 60s, you think we were willing to do something like it on 9-11-2001?

No doubt. The powers that be have gotten even more evil.

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Jun 30, 2010 - 05:53pm PT

you would think that as smart and knowledgeable as RJ is about everything he posts on here that he could at least find a job.

Port

Trad climber

San Diego

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:02pm PT

Klimmer, you have provided no explanation to account for the observation that Coz produced (Cuba has nothing to do with this conversation and does not support you hypothesis) . Once again, where are the passengers and why was DNA from the passengers in the Pentagon?

Port

Trad climber

San Diego

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:10pm PT

yeah, it does.

monolith

climber

Berkeley, CA

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:14pm PT

...and it was skidding along the ground when it hit. (oops, there goes the head)

dirtbag

climber

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:15pm PT

and it wasn't 45 plus landing gear, it was 45 - landing gear (look at the diagram you provided)

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:16pm PT

Ya didn't subtract 10' for the bogies and it was plowing dirt at impact.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:17pm PT

Which mountain range is below the 757 in the photo that RJ posted? It kind of looks like the North Cascades, doesn't it?

dirtbag

climber

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:20pm PT

That's what I was thinking MH

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:21pm PT

Port and Coz,

I can't keep holding your hand and leading you to answers. Yes, it is pertinent to the conversation. If you would read it you would understand what they are willing to do to get rid of bodies.

Why do I bother talking about this anymore. You obviously are stuck in denial, and as we know it is a very loooooooooooooooong river.

Got things to do.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:22pm PT

Looks like the area just east of Snoqualmie Pass.
Could be a bit farther north though.
Note his altitude of 17,000' to stay below controlled airspace, right Rok?

Port

Trad climber

San Diego

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:30pm PT

yea, you've got it all figured out and know EXACTLY what happened, while we're just a bunch of idiots.

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:32pm PT

here's an idea for us, klim, rox--

let's even the game a little bit. these guys gang up on us, start hammering us with questions. some of them are worth the trouble, some aren't. we do what we can.

but let's ask some questions back. only fair, right?

so--reilly, dirtbag--whoever wants to take it on--

we've got four itty bitty frames here of something hitting the pentagon. three of the frames show nothing but explosion, one of them shows something, can't really tell what it is.

but--this was the only surveillance camera the pentagon had going? positioned at the profile, showing very little, and very fleetingly? it took years to get the pentagon to release this, and everyone had seen it beforehand because they had leaked it anyway. i know this from personal experience--have been chasing down their lies for the past six years.

there's gotta be hundreds of security cams. i saw a photo once of them positioned all along the roof, maybe 50 feet apart. get real now, we're talking the u.s. pentagon here.

we've had consistent reports that, immediately after the hit, government agents showed up at the nearby citgo station and sheraton hotel and confiscated all security cam footage that would have shown the strike. why would they do that?

that old pollo loco commercial, if you've heard it: what are they hiding?

monolith

climber

Berkeley, CA

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:42pm PT

I bet port was talking about RokJox.

The posts are flying faster then a monkey throwing....

You sound very reasonable to me Coz.

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:44pm PT

as far as the dna goes, yes, this was in the news for two months afterward.

but what was in the news? well, they had a big government warehouse somewhere and were meticulously going over all remains, to be returned to the families.

that's about all i remember, but i'm going to ask you guys to chip in here, and let the chips fall where they may.

i was in the news business for 10 years, reporter/editor for little, insignificant newspapers around the country. when something like this would come up, we'd send human interest reporters out to be all over it. for something like this, we'd be at the doorstep of bereaved families, interviewing them on their loss. photographers would be taking pictures of the sad containers of the bits of identified remains. it would be all over the front page.

does anybody remember anything like this?

Port

Trad climber

San Diego

Jun 30, 2010 - 06:48pm PT

Coz,

Im on your side of this thing..... I was referring to Rox, sorry. The problem I have with these conspiracy theories is that they create more questions than answers, and the authors of these theories don't seem to care. And more importantly, they favor a complicated and impossible network over a more obvious and simple explanation.