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krahmes
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LP
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May 28, 2010 - 11:26am PT
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The true environmental armageddon is that the world uses 85,000,000 bbls/day of oil day (US=20,000,000 bbl/day ; EU = 14,000,000 bbl/day; CA=1,800,000 bbl/day) this well is flowing at 20,000 bbl/day; the equivalent of Iceland’s daily consumption of oil. That stored terrestrial carbon is released back into atmosphere, as CO2 where it acts as reflector, but also interacts with the oceans to acidify the water.
With regards to human armageddon let us not forget the 92,000 troops we have in Iraq (4718 coalition deaths/~30,000 USA wounded/100,000 Iraqis) which from my POV is a conflict about maintaining stability in the Mideast rather than fighting “terrorism ™”: The spice must flow.
Enjoy that last ride.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 28, 2010 - 11:41am PT
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BP should be put out of business for their lack of responsibility and Obama should be put out of business in 11/12
So we can have someone from the "right" in charge that is more beholdant to the oil industry.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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May 28, 2010 - 12:10pm PT
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BP's twitter account was hacked recently, and some pretty amazing posts went up :)
http://twitter.com/bpglobalpr
Some really, comma, really good stuff!
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MisterE
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2010 - 12:51pm PT
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One of the things we can all do is to boycott BP and Arco gas stations, ampm mini-marts and Castrol oils.
It's not much, but the awareness of the subsidiary companies, and choosing not to buy their products feels like a little "fuk you" to BP.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 28, 2010 - 01:10pm PT
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Krahmes- Sounds like you're read up on Peak Oil. Wish everyone was.
Humanity's going to face a sh!tload of problems in the 21st century while the seas of human greed and ignorance become so overwhelming many of those in the know will resign themselves to just bear it and choose to go climb instead.
Wish the tea leaves were different.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 28, 2010 - 02:05pm PT
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So, how is the weather with your head stuck in the sand?
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 28, 2010 - 02:50pm PT
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Well for one thing we could put Cheney back in control, that way he would get rid of the evidence.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 28, 2010 - 03:15pm PT
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Fatty you wrote
"Why do you assume that every Repub is tied into oil"
Republicans Protect BP In The Senate
GOP senators have blocked consideration of legislation that would force BP and other oil companies to pay the full amount for cleanup and other damage resulting from a spill, such as that currently underway in the Gulf of Mexico.
Republicans objected Thursday to the Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act, a Democratic bill that would raise the liability caps for oil companies from $75 million to $10 billion.
New Jersey Sens. Frank Lautenberg and Bob Menendez, as well as Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, introduced the legislation, as well as the companion bill, the Big Oil Bailout Prevention Trust Fund Act (S.3306) would remove the $1 billion “per incident” limit on total claims against the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund.
The lawmakers say they introduced their legislation to prevent taxpayers from having to bear the costs of the unfolding disaster in which tens of thousands of barrels of oil are leaking into the Gulf of Mexico off the Louisiana coast due to an explosion last month of an offshore platform leased by energy giant BP. Estimates put the BP spill to probably become larger than the giant 1989 ExxonValdez spill off Alaska. The specific cause of the explosion is not yet known.
“Inexplicably, Republicans are protecting negligent oil companies like BP and blocking our efforts to prevent a BP bailout. Through their obstruction, Republicans are leaving taxpayers on the hook to pay for BP’s negligence,” says Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) “Republicans should drop their objections, and support our efforts to hold big oil companies accountable and prevent a BP bailout. I am committed to protecting taxpayers in Nevada and across America from paying for corporate negligence.”
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, the ranking Republican on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, went to the floor to object to the Democrats' cleanup legislation.
Am I missing something in your comment?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 28, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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Republicans will eventually be trying to distance themselves from big oil faster than they did from W.
Of all the shoreline from Corpus Christi to D.C., it would be interesting to know what percentage of property ownership is in the hands of republicans. If the oil comes ashore in a big way onto West Florida the choice of Tampa for the 2012 republican convention might end up biting them in the ass.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 28, 2010 - 04:58pm PT
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Don't expect the Obama Administration to do anything but talk.
Even if B.P. broke all kinds of Federal laws, Obama won't prosecute anyone because of all the campaign contributions he got from B.P.
Obama will talk big, though. But no one's going to jail. You can bet on it.
President Obama is a wholly owned subsiduary of British Petrolium.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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May 30, 2010 - 10:09am PT
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Chaz's last post brought to you by Republicans for Sustainable Hypocrisy.
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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May 30, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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It would be an interesting twist of fate to see Nukes-To-The-Rescue in an environmental disaster.
On the other hand I seem to recall nukes being touted in the hopeful Fifties as potentially a way to crack-shatter the rock around a drill hole to free up the flow of oil?
I can imagine a nuke melting-fusing a globe of rock like an obsidian ball a third of a mile across that would sit right on top of the drill hole.
BUT I can also imagine it shattering the rock just beyond its melt reach, so oil could start leaking out there. Then we might end up with a mile-wide ring of leakage.
That oil is spewing under incredible force to be blowing right past its blowout preventer and the pressure of a vertical mile of ocean.
Geologists? Opinions please! A lot of you guys are on here. How does Small Nuke vs. Big Oil sound to you guys?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 30, 2010 - 01:45pm PT
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It is refreshing that Obama is taking responsibility for what has happened, and admitting that the government should have been more pro-active. Imagine that, a president who can actually say "I was wrong". Notwithstanding that most of the fault seems to be that of BP, and a federal regulator that was a captive of the industry for decades, particularly under the Bush-Cheney regime.
Kalaallit Nunaat (Greenland) recently gave out exploratory oil drilling licences for much of its southwest coast, but operators must comply with Norwegian standards for safety and environment, which are apparently significantly higher than those of the US. The North Sea, Davis Strait, and Baffin Bay must be consistently rougher places to work, with not only waves and storms to deal with, but also icebergs. Still, the chances of a blowout must be similar, and hurricane risk in the Gulf of Mexico a sporadic but considerable challenge.
Whether a nuclear explosion would 'cap' the blowout will hopefully remain a question to which we don't know the answer. Assuming a suitable weapon could be detonated at 1,500 m+ below sea level, it would cause an unholy political and environmental mess - if it worked at all.
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hb81
climber
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May 30, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
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Lets just hope that nuke idea disappears fast because thats just batshit crazy. Dotate a nuke on top of an oil field underwater. Nobody can seriously predict whats gonna happen.
One more question to any experts on the field: is the pressure inside the oil reservoir going to drop anytime soon or is the surrounding earth/rock just gonna fill in any hollow space keeping the pressure up til its basically squeezed empty?
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go-B
climber
In God We Trust
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May 31, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
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No end in sight!
How about a sub and torpedo it (non nuke)?
The wildlife can't take it! It needs to stop!!!
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Mimi
climber
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May 31, 2010 - 11:18pm PT
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Hearing Carol Browner say today that this is the biggest environmental disaster in US history brings pause.
Not to totally downplay this horrible crisis but are we forgetting about Hanford, Savannah River and the disposal pits outside Idaho Falls?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 31, 2010 - 11:31pm PT
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This is pretty funny/sad.. Comparing how a spill in the gulf of alaska is much like today. We haven't improved the way we try to fix these things, we have just improved the technology that makes them more difficult to stop.
http://www.wimp.com/oilspills/
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