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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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I feel really sorry for you guys.
It must be scarry in your little narrow naive private sheltered worlds.
No substance just ridicule. The definative evidence of a small mind.
It must be exciting in your upside-down world of gullibility, where the most fantastic and outrageously improbable explanations appear to be the most credible and reasonable.
What's next, Venusian Leprechauns?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Weschrist- That was so well said it made me feel good again. Thanks.
How does a teacher spell so poorly? Isn't he supposed to have a higher standard to hold himself to?
I do wonder now if he ain't a troll. Talk about being had as a possibility!
Mighty Hiker wrote-
"Wasn't Klimmer supposed to be at the Woodsonfest? Was he sighted there, and did anyone get a photo? Has anyone here met Klimmer..."
Anyone?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Hey, I got the word "plot" in my last post. What more do you want?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Pate wrote-
"There you go Klimmer, that's it in a nutshell. Your condescending attitude is what gets you the replies you get..."
I'm thinking now he thrives on it. Look how he's come back with a vengence with this stuff. -After being "outed and shopped" as Mister E said a few pages back.
Paging LOCKER...
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2010 - 08:38pm PT
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Yep. Its really sad.
The Bully Club of ST, is alive and well. The reason many have left ST.
None of you ever really talk substance, only ad hominem attacks constantly.
All we get are Cyber Bullies. You're infamous on ST. It gets really old.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Pate wrote-
"I don't feel sorry for you Klimmer- I hold you accountable for your ignorance."
Damn straight.
I'm a fan of Sam Harris, whose stance is that there's a place for shame, for shaming in society, and for shaming those who pander bronze-age ignorance and superstition in the 21st century. My stance, too.
Klimmer's inspired me to strengthen this stance, I think.
Yeah, here comes the Talking Points vocabulary of the supernaturalists and crazies, too. "Cyber-bullies!" "Hate!" "Haters!" "Arrogant!" "Attackers!" Don't let this gilligan reframe it.
"None of you ever really talk substance..." Rich!
What do you want to talk about? Ohm's Law? Actin-myosin filament theory as a basis for muscular movement and behavior? Carl Sagan's "Cosmic Calender"? Environmental conditions on Titan that might be conducive to life. Mitochondria? Switching power supplies? Derivation of E=mc2. (Have you done it?) Game theory? Prisoner's Dilemma? and how it's kinda playing out in the fossil fuel depletion? the proof to five and only five perfect solids? What? C'mon.
Post up something "substantive" that one gets in college science or graduate school and you'll get different responses.
You baffle with b.s. You don't dazzle with any brilliance. Go read a Lubert Stryer Biochemistry book, come back, then post up all that crazy crap.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Perhaps we need to have a meeting at the Integratron to sort this out?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integratron
Anyway, the people capable of believing in an Apollo 20 mission seem much the same as those who believe that Apollo 11 never happened.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Anyway, the people capable of believing in an Apollo 20 mission seem much the same as those who believe that Apollo never happened.
Reality lies somewhere between Werner and Klimmer.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Maybe Klimmer can get to the bottom of this cosmic celtic conspiracy . . .
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Anyway, Klimmer, thanks for being our "poster child" or simply personification here at the Taco for you know what. You're our opportunity, or, let me speak for myself, my opportunity, to vent. Again, thanks. Feels good.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2010 - 08:59pm PT
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Q: Why would you ever post on a OP topic that you are not interested in or think completely out of this world and bat-poop crazy?
No one is forcing you to respond.
I skip topics and threads all the time. If I don't have anything constructive to say, I pass it by.
I do not attack anyone. I will call out bad behavior. Apparently you haven't heard of manners or the Golden Rule.
Recall, the OP is about the massive object on the farside of the Moon.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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We don't "attack" anyone either. We are men and women of laws, afterall. We too "call out bad behavior". What's more, we call out bad belief, too, as it bears on better practices in the practice of living. So the point is, there is a reason, or reasons, behind it.
Reminder. Beliefs matter. Beliefs are "behavioral drivers" in the human species. (e.g., That's why the world is having a problem with Islamic jihadists right now.) That's the modern understanding since the 16th century.
re: 1. "attack" 2. "bully" 3. "hate" Watch your words. Words matter, too. (Unless you're a hip-hop artist, then I for one will be more forgiving. But your pic a few pages back and your posts so far don't suggest it.)
EDIT Yeah, Monolith, ain't that something.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2010 - 09:22pm PT
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Monolith,
I certainly didn't state it like you did.
And yes, that is what the Book of Genesis discusses and the Book of Enoch.
I can tell you don't have faith in either. That is your choice.
I'm not saying these things in isolation. It is discussed in detail in books, religious texts that are held sacred by many around the world who believe including me.
So you do not believe. You do not see it that way. Why slam the faith of so many? Why not just roll your eyes, say "whatever," and walk on?
Live and let live. I'm not demanding anyone agree with me. I'm just wanting people to consider it, to talk about it, pro and con. If we disagree then we disagree. Manners should always prevail.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Here it is from another perspective...
I pay attention to this thread to get a sense of how others are responding to your nonsense and Abrahamic Christian fundamentalism. This sense or "feel" happens to be important to me.
And my sense is, times ARE changing. My kindred spirits were burned at the stake 300-400 years ago. They're not anymore and Abrahamic religious institutions across continents and around the world are flailing. Thank goodness. Can't happen soon enough.
So it's not all about you or your crazy topics, Gilligan.
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Diesel_Smoke
Big Wall climber
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I digress; the Klimmer-like fundamentalist's views are truthfully the most reasonable and favorable of those who are aligned with religious dogma.
The effort of their adamant debating is honestly, in my opinion, evidence of genuine care for others. Their internal interest for others, in addition to their religious beliefs, reinforce ideas their efforts as beneficial and necessary for those not of belief. While their efforts may amuse and irritate, a greater degree of concern and intelligence exists in them than their indifferent religious counterpart.
The religious 'moderates' are the most loathsome, feeble minded, and self-interested of all religious (and non-religious) sects. While fundamentalists may justify their beliefs with remarkably poor evidence and bizarre conclusions, moderates cite nothing but self-interested rewards for their beliefs. These feeble-minded 'believers' need no understanding for any event; no cause/effect evidence needed for accepting their beliefs.
Individuals who merely foreclose their belief as a guarantee of future incentives and salvation demonstrate the lowest imaginable level of intellectual achievement. Any requirement of evidence for 'truth' is an obvious indication of higher function. Similarly, refusing the comforts and incentives of faith is not actually a satisfying solution. Obviously, declining 72 virgins isn't a casual decision. And, maybe, within the quiet confines of my mind, on my death bed, I'll accept... just to feebly 'see what happens.'
Thus, I sincerely applaud the efforts and concern of Klimmer, et al. The internal goodness as manifested in your actions, despite religious dogma, is likely real concern for others' salvation. Your ability to consider and imagine beyond the constraints of religion is welcoming.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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I see what you're saying so I won't disagree.
Yet, then again, I'm also with the likes of Sam Harris: Both camps are a menace. Each in their own way.
Case in point: I'd rather a suit-case size nuclear bomb were in the hands of a moderate Christian or Moslem than a fundamentalist one.
EDIT 6:43. Well, then Jim, I guess were defining "bullying" these days differently then. So let's throw in "attacking" and "hating" too. Then again, not. That's b.s.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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I like Klimmer's posts, actually, they beat the political threads anyway.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Klimmer: I do respect that you believe all angles of the question should be considered.
However:
Elizabeth Kubler-Ross' book, "On Death and Dying” identifies five stages of accepting death.
• Denial (this isn't happening to me!)
• Anger (why is this happening to me?)
• Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)
• Depression (I don't care anymore)
• Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)
Perhaps you should accept:
those stages may apply to those who present ST threads with controversial material.
Sometime: you just have to let go.
Best wishes, Fritz
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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“The religious 'moderates' are the most loathsome, feeble minded, and self-interested of all religious (and non-religious) sects. While fundamentalists may justify their beliefs with remarkably poor evidence and bizarre conclusions, moderates cite nothing but self-interested rewards for their beliefs. These feeble-minded 'believers' need no understanding for any event; no cause/effect evidence needed for accepting their beliefs.”
Moderate Christians ?
“So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out…”
Rev 3:16
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