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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2010 - 01:15pm PT
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The owners ought to sell the land to the NPS, since they don't even live there anymore. Then the buildings could be removed and what a perfect spot for a new campground that would be. Or just restore the area and preserve it for the enjoyment of future generations of Americans.
Worst case scenerio, they sell the property to a developer, and it gets fully developed with McMansion, white fences, motocross track, shooting range,subdivisions?...who knows?
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jstan
climber
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Mar 16, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
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Very often inholdings such as this can not be sold to the public. In this case it is possible the NPS will buy the property.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 16, 2010 - 01:38pm PT
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Gary, I'm not responsible.
I know, Ron. My comment was meant as some sort of shot at you.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 16, 2010 - 03:37pm PT
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Ron, I have the dubious honor of getting DQ'ed on the same stage @ the 1990 Miller Invitational as Jerry.. He is real darn good but not quite as perfect as the video makes out. All those guys crash and burn ocasionaly. You really can't push the speed envelope that hard without haveing ocasional sloppy moments..
BTW it was a stupid setup and about 30 of the shooters got the chop there which works out to 10%. Did'nt make me feel any better about it though..
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Mar 16, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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"The owners ought to sell the land to the NPS, since they don't even live there anymore. Then the buildings could be removed and what a perfect spot for a new campground that would be. Or just restore the area and preserve it for the enjoyment of future generations of Americans."
What an incredible crock of sh#t since you clearly don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
They spend quite a bit of time up here.
Tell ya what, this is a great idea. You can lead by example since your so smart, why not sell off your property to the city or county you live in so they can build a park for "future generations to enjoy" of people you clearly don't give a sh#t about.
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Mar 16, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
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rok jox-more nonsense about Cali-as if it is some monolithic state where all the people are the same-if i said that about idaho, that all of y'all are bunch of christian extremists you'd be pissed too. And Cali doesn't try and impose its' will on the rest of the States, if anything a small vocal group of ignorant conservatives tries to impose their will on the rest of the country(see Texas school board). Maybe you and i can agree to hate Texas more, and that this lame bashing of entire states is plain silly and without merit. Umm, i doubt it.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 16, 2010 - 11:08pm PT
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And as to my Cali Hating:
yawn
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 16, 2010 - 11:21pm PT
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RF,
I do believe that rincon lives under a bridge and you done been trolled,...
but keep up the good work. I'll send you some rounds this year.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 16, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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The guys who never make mistakes and have pure ice in their veins are the NRA action shooters. Most of the pure speed guys crash and burn ocasionaly.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Mar 16, 2010 - 11:37pm PT
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Ron,
I do believe you are correct, and I was giving a knee jerk response. Oh well, mud on my face.
I think it's more that I just get tired of hearing pussies bitching and whining about something that is everyone's basic right in this county, the right to own property and not be told what to do with it.
These are the same scumbags who complain loudly when people start suggesting they cannot do what they want with their property.
Pure and simple, double standards.
Brainless cowards, the lot of them.
Most likely these people are very religious, which explains everything. It's all good as long as you agree with them...
Morons.
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k-anne
climber
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Nov 21, 2010 - 05:02pm PT
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inholdings can be sold to anyone the owner chooses to sell to, the park just usually beats them to it by offering to buy properties that havent been put up for sale.
but there are some who currently own inholdings in the whispering pines area, or adjacent properties in pine valley who are pretty committed to never selling to the park, in the interest of preserving private inholdings, because they are pretty cool. these are people who take better care of the properties they own than the tourists do of the greater park, and who would only ever sell to someone they trusted to do the same.
private property is private property, so id say that those complaining should count themselves lucky that the people who own the inholdings dont choose to do something more disruptive, like building a montstrosity of a house with light pollution and them throwing huge parties every night.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Nov 21, 2010 - 05:15pm PT
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<...like building a montstrosity of a house with light pollution and them throwing huge parties every night....>
that would be the Gordon Ranch, two blocks down, and turn right at alburqurque,
i dig that place, best party i ever went to was at the Gordon Ranch,
jus sayin, Nature got a little beat up, but other than that, everybody was feelin groovy,
Bridwell told everybody that white people were the best, had to be there,
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 21, 2010 - 05:22pm PT
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MisterE: That second one with the reload was just unbelievable. Amazingly fast.
(Almost as fast as this thread turned from a noise complaint thread by one citizen into an OH GOD BIG GOVERNMENT IS TELLING US HOW TO LIVE thread.)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 21, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
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Actually, I liked the Bridwell hijack.
He was just up there this weekend.
Two weeks ago he was holding forth at the Pass about how "people choose to be gay".
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 21, 2010 - 10:22pm PT
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Yup, they spent the weekend at my place.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 21, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
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Layton, Gomez and Lynne too (jungle drums).
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Nov 21, 2010 - 11:51pm PT
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Jungle Drums ?! A Werner Braun bwaahahaha to you. I'm glad someone knows where I am so I can keep track of myself. :D
Still working on my computer which is driving me CRAZY. I have so many fun great pictures....like this weekend. I can post them everywhere but ST. Go figure.
I've spent a little bit of time with Jim Bridwell now and have really enjoyed it. For what he's accomplished in his lifetime he's way humble in my opinion. He is fun to talk to and what incredible history of the climbing community he has to share if you want to listen. I love his great brain when it comes to creating all sorts of things from climbing gear to clothing gear to art etc.
No shooting this weekend and the weather wasn't all that great BUT we got a couple climbs in and hung with some fantastic people. The economy may suck, life may be a challenge, but if you have friends you are good to go. Thanks Friends for a grate weekend, Ciao and Peace, lynnie
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:04am PT
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It's those vagabons who hang out on the Cohn property;...those ruffians, ...bounders.....periwinkle patted fellows and felons..guilty....
Epperson, Bridwell, Tucker Tech, Ron Gomez, Wendell Smith, Lynne Leichtfuss...........lock them all up in a cage....
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:49am PT
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Yo Bro are the best jailer evah...:D Cheers Just so I get to serve hard time on the rock with the peri winkles......???!!!
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