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John M

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:14am PT
at this point im simply convinced your a racist prick for me helping an African man Ken.. And you WONT let that stupid sh#t go for anything will ya.. Your like the gnat at the picnic that just wont stop buzzing the punch bowl.. I got news for ya,, all manner of Fed and State LEOs have heard that story,, not one arrested me ,, duhhhhhhhh. It must be a conspiracy huh! Ive CHALLENGED YOU about this to produce the law i broke in 1979 and you havent because there isnt one---- Now piss off once, final and for all muther Feckin time.

Ron.. that isn't his point, though at times it has sounded that way. That was what I was trying to clear up. Instead of attacking each other, try instead to understand each others point.

What you appear to me to be saying is that you did not break any laws.

What I think Ken appears to me to be saying is that your case is proof that the laws are too lax. I have no idea if the laws are too lax in your case, but I believe Ken's main point is that because there is no single set of laws, its fairly easy to work around them. Perhaps I am wrong. If I am, I apologize. But could y'all try talking to each other, rather then blustering? Please.
nah000

Mountain climber
canuckadia
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:30am PT
in response to TomCochrane's link from a few posts back:

your source is presstv!

from wikipedia: "Press TV is a 24-hour English language news network owned by the state-owned media corporation Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB)."

that someone is taking a piece with no substantiated info in it, seriously, for anything more than a moment, when that info is from the state owned media of a country whose headpiece has denied the holocaust, or that gay people exist in his country, is unbelievable.

even without iran owned media as the source it's complete and total unsubstantiated innuendo, hearsay, and baseless extrapolation.

wow... just... wow.
John M

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:31am PT
That is because he is talking at you instead of to you.

And you are doing the same thing.

We all do it. At some point we have to figure out how to stop.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:33am PT
Hey, there you are Ron. Been bass fishing lately? Catch anything?
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:36am PT
thanks

post withdrawn
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:42am PT
seems there are MANY links saying the same thing

Really Ron... MANY... really? Post 3 links.



And wow, those are some crazy rumors about the bass up here in Tahoe. You're the first I've heard mention such things. I take it you've seen this happen? How many have you had jump in your boat... it has got to be at least MANY?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:49am PT
John, that is my main point.

But Ron went out of his way to give a very specific example that is very troubling to me.

Inasmuch as Ron asks, when I look at any airline website, it says:

"Firearms are not allowed on any international flights even if checked."

I don't imagine that started in 2012. If it was legal in 1979, please so enlighten us, Ron. It certainly would be illegal today.

you've clearly stated that you purchased the weapon with the intent of colluding with your buddy to get the gun smuggled into another country.

That's conspiracy to break a law, isn't it, Mr. LEO?

THAT would certainly be illegal today, as well.

Your mentioning to other LEO's and having it ignored is rather hilarious, Ron. Anyone who doesn't know that LEO's give each other passes on all sorts of lawbreaking is delusional.
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:50am PT
A conservative case for an assault weapons ban

By Larry Alan Burns
December 20, 2012



Last month, I sentenced Jared Lee Loughner to seven consecutive life terms plus 140 years in federal prison for his shooting rampage in Tucson. That tragedy left six people dead, more than twice that number injured and a community shaken to its core.

Loughner deserved his punishment. But during the sentencing, I also questioned the social utility of high-capacity magazines like the one that fed his Glock. And I lamented the expiration of the federal assault weapons ban in 2004, which prohibited the manufacture and importation of certain particularly deadly guns, as well as magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

The ban wasn't all that stringent — if you already owned a banned gun or high-capacity magazine you could keep it, and you could sell it to someone else — but at least it was something.

And it says something that half of the nation's deadliest shootings occurred after the ban expired, including the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn. It also says something that it has not even been two years since Loughner's rampage, and already six mass shootings have been deadlier.

I am not a social scientist, and I know that very smart ones are divided on what to do about gun violence. But reasonable, good-faith debates have boundaries, and in the debate about guns, a high-capacity magazine has always seemed to me beyond them.

Bystanders got to Loughner and subdued him only after he emptied one 31-round magazine and was trying to load another. Adam Lanza, the Newtown shooter, chose as his primary weapon a semiautomatic rifle with 30-round magazines. And we don't even bother to call the 100-rounder that James Holmes is accused of emptying in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater a magazine — it is a drum. How is this not an argument for regulating the number of rounds a gun can fire?

I get it. Someone bent on mass murder who has only a 10-round magazine or revolvers at his disposal probably is not going to abandon his plan and instead try to talk his problems out. But we might be able to take the "mass" out of "mass shooting," or at least make the perpetrator's job a bit harder.

To guarantee that there would never be another Tucson or Sandy Hook, we would probably have to make it a capital offense to so much as look at a gun. And that would create serious 2nd Amendment, 8th Amendment and logistical problems.

So what's the alternative? Bring back the assault weapons ban, and bring it back with some teeth this time. Ban the manufacture, importation, sale, transfer and possession of both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Don't let people who already have them keep them. Don't let ones that have already been manufactured stay on the market. I don't care whether it's called gun control or a gun ban. I'm for it.

I say all of this as a gun owner. I say it as a conservative who was appointed to the federal bench by a Republican president. I say it as someone who prefers Fox News to MSNBC, and National Review Online to the Daily Kos. I say it as someone who thinks the Supreme Court got it right in District of Columbia vs. Heller, when it held that the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to possess guns for self-defense. (That's why I have mine.) I say it as someone who, generally speaking, is not a big fan of the regulatory state.

I even say it as someone whose feelings about the NRA mirror the left's feelings about Planned Parenthood: It has a useful advocacy function in our deliberative democracy, and much of what it does should not be controversial at all.

And I say it, finally, mindful of the arguments on the other side, at least as I understand them: that a high-capacity magazine is not that different from multiple smaller-capacity magazines; and that if we ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines one day, there's a danger we would ban guns altogether the next, and your life might depend on you having one.

But if we can't find a way to draw sensible lines with guns that balance individual rights and the public interest, we may as well call the American experiment in democracy a failure.

There is just no reason civilians need to own assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Gun enthusiasts can still have their venison chili, shoot for sport and competition, and make a home invader flee for his life without pretending they are a part of the SEAL team that took out Osama bin Laden.

It speaks horribly of the public discourse in this country that talking about gun reform in the wake of a mass shooting is regarded as inappropriate or as politicizing the tragedy. But such a conversation is political only to those who are ideologically predisposed to see regulation of any kind as the creep of tyranny. And it is inappropriate only to those delusional enough to believe it would disrespect the victims of gun violence to do anything other than sit around and mourn their passing. Mourning is important, but so is decisive action.

Congress must reinstate and toughen the ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.



Larry Alan Burns is a federal district judge in San Diego.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-burns-assault-weapons-ban-20121220,0,6774314.story
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:55am PT
Guess I'm not as lucky as you are. No jumping fish... and no MANY articles saying the same thing. But I believe you man. And don't worry, I'll get the message out...

"A friend of mine was in this forum and there is this guy who has guns... like a lot of guns... and he's a total animal stuffer too... anyway, he thinks the attack in CT was an Israeli terrorist attack. I know it sounds crazy, but there are MANY articles that say the same thing... you can find them on google. So, you know, you just never know. When I tell really smart people who have spent their lives understanding the intricacies of Middle East politics, they look at me like 'really?' I mean, THEY don't even know this kind of stuff is going on. And get this... it was all planned by Obama and TRPA."

http://vimeo.com/3528602
John M

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:39am PT
Then Ron gives an example of his involvement in a scheme to contravene the law against crossing international borders with guns....demonstrating just how easy he found it to do.

Sorry Ken, he did not do that. You read what you wanted to read, and even if he posted that, he tried to clear it up multiple times. He followed all of the laws. And yes.. you can carry a gun in a checked bag. As long as it is in a locked case and unloaded.

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:57am PT
How many dead children does it take to get a gun nutter to STFU?
Apparently more.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 21, 2012 - 11:53am PT
Judge Burns may have lost his perspective having been involved in such a high profile case and being subject to public outrage.
The gun owners who would compromise away eroded segments of our freedoms may be the worst enemies of the Second Amendment.




Philo, did you answer my question between redundant rants?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 21, 2012 - 11:57am PT
The one about Jorge? Yes I did on thr 2nd amendment thread.


Now back to the boobs
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Dec 21, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
And the NRA's official response - MORE GUNS!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

TE
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 21, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
2nd amendment doesn't say sh#t about high capacity magazines capable of pumping children full of dozens of bullets.

I'm sure it did originally, but you know, Israel conspired with TRPA to get it taken out so Obama could take over Uhmerikuh and impose Sharia law, thus initiating the apocalypse and heralding the second coming of Jesus Christ... the fag hating savior who spent most of his time hanging out with 12 single dudes.

Hurray for religion! Where people believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts... heaven must be kind of like Nevada.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD)

Let's go back to the good ol' days of the Cold War.

Then we can start escalating to make sure mine is always bigger than yours.

The NRA would love that. They try to make the case that private individuals armed to the teeth is what preserves freedom and liberty. I don't buy it anymore. This is an argument put forth by self-serving arms manufacturers.

If the price of some of our liberties is parents burying their innocent children, I say the price is too high.

I don't have a problem with people hunting or protecting themselves, but we have start drawing the line in a different place.

It is just too easy for someone who is mentally disturbed to obtain the means to destroy other people's lives. The more guns there are available that facilitate mass killings, the more mass killings there will probably be. I don't beleive that someone mentally ill enough to murder innocent strangers is that concerned about whether they are armed or not.

I'm sorry if this infringes on some people's recreation, but it is time for some hard decisions.

We can either become a society that uses the threat of violence to prevent violence, or a society that moves away from violence. I submit the latter takes more real courage and conviction, and is a better place.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
The rednecks with guns are just all psyched up after pastor dikwads sunday sermon
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
Wurd up StahlBro. Well said.

The logical conclusion of the NRA's mentality would be to have a Bushmaster (or more) in the hands of every teacher. Knives over fists, handguns over knifes, semi-auto assault rifles over handguns... soon we will have missile defense systems around every school. USA USA USA USA!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
GUNS ARE FUNNY!!!

Anyone and everyone should be able to own any and every gun they see fit. No insurance, no mental health evaluation, no safety inspection or requirements, no silly government intervention to make sure someone's recreational activities don't threaten the safety and life of those around them. Yeeefukinhaw!

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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
So locker, what makes "us" the "greatest"?
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