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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Dec 11, 2014 - 08:06am PT
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Sketch was a johnny come lately troll on a mission to 'do unto others.' That's all he did. He finally did unto himself. Never brought anything to the table. A big zero. Bye bye.
It takes a big man to bad mouth someone who isn't here to defend himself.
Also, I am in the camp that what Dingus did was much worse than what Sketch did.
But, on the taco you can be a prima donnna and take no responsibility for what you say.....
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Dec 11, 2014 - 08:46am PT
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Oh boy, another anonymous internet troll making innuendos about children.
I didn't mean anything in my comment to be innuendo about children. (The thought crossed my mind to make some sort of generic comment about DMT himself as I've been a victim of his "wit" more than once--but I did in fact repress that urge.)
But to the extent what I wrote could have been reasonably interpreted as innuendo about children or anyone's family, I sincerely apologize.
Also, I'd revise my account of the DMT-Sketch spat after going back and looking at the posts. Here's a quick summary of what happened, and I can prove this with screenshots if anyone, for whatever ridiculous reason, actually cares.
DMT was in fact the first aggressor with a "your mother" type comment to Sketch. At least to me, that appeared to be entirely unprovoked.
Sketch's first response was not polite as I wrote earlier; instead, he called DMT a dbag. (Sketch later wrote what I interpret to be a somewhat polite response that asked why DMT started with the "your mother" stuff, but that wasn't Sketch's first reply.)
DMT then called Sketch's mother a Dbag.
Sketch then posted the DMT family portrait, which in my and I think everyone else's view was a big mistake.
Still, it did work out as a repeat of the old childhood story of one kid (DMT) picks on another (Sketch), the picked-on kid overreacts, the first kid tells mom or dad or teacher and the picked-on kid gets punished.
Sketch probably did engage in over-the-top personal feuds, but the folks on here who think it's one sided are in serious denial.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2014 - 08:48am PT
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Pleeeeeeeeeeeease Kaveman??
You keep putting gas into your vehicle and drive around aimlessly to go climb, ...
You have no idea what I do or don't do The Chief. So shove it.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2014 - 09:00am PT
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Here's a quick summary of what happened, and I can prove this with screenshots if anyone, for whatever ridiculous reason, actually cares.
DMT was in fact the first aggressor with a "your mother" type comment to Sketch. At least to me, that appeared to be entirely unprovoked.
Yes blahblah, I would like to see a screen shot of what Scetch said, and what DMT was responding to.
My recollection is that Sketch pushed DTM with his usual way of attacking people.
To call Sketch innocent here colors your credibility.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2014 - 09:04am PT
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Thus, you are a consumer of FF's and true hypocrite.
Please explain how being a part of the society we are in makes me a hypocrite.
I truly don't think you understand the word. Did I say one thing and do another? If so, post up the two contradicting comments.
Otherwise, shove it.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Dec 11, 2014 - 09:08am PT
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I'll post them later, got to do a little work first and it will take a few minutes to do the post--I actually took pictures with my phone of the screen on my tablet that still had the page in question open, that is, before management deleted all the relevant posts, and I'm writing this on a different computer.
(When I took the photos of the screen, I intentionally omitted the DMT photo.)
Also--I don't think I called Sketch innocent. You and Sketch seemed to engage in prolonged, ridiculous, over-the-top personal feud. I don't know if either of you could fairly be said to have "started it."
I know I've also posted plenty of stupid insult type stuff; I've tried to turn over a new leaf in that regard and I think I've been at least somewhat successful.
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raymond phule
climber
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Dec 11, 2014 - 09:12am PT
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I believe that blabla's version is quite correct.
I hope though that you can't be banned for a few relatively benign posts* and that he got banned for his history of insulting posts.
*but the family photo post seemed quite strange and I really don't understand why he posted it.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 11, 2014 - 09:18am PT
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and so it goes...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 11, 2014 - 10:20am PT
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Sketch is gone? Weird world on ST when stalkers remain and Sketch gets the boot.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Dec 11, 2014 - 10:43am PT
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I didn't think Sketch deserved to get the boot, or if he did, then so do lots of other posters.
I believe he genuinely tried to advance the climate change "debate," although his posts frequently devolved into personal attacks. It seemed to me that he was often responding to attacks against him, as in the "final conflict" between Sketch and DMT.
I was planning to post screenshots of the Sketch-DMT feud so everyone could make up his or her mind as to the merits of the boot, but I've reconsidered in light of DMT's summary (which I can assure everyone is generally accurate, although not in a word-for-word manner, as is my own most recent summary).
I have some concern that posting the screenshots could subject me to the wrath of ST management, as I'd be posting material that they have decided that they want removed from their site.
But if anyone just has to see the posts, let me know (perhaps post on this thread), and I can email them.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Dec 11, 2014 - 11:36am PT
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On the other hand, I cried some real tears...
...of laughter.
I have to admit, I did chuckle at that one.
But did you laugh too when you buddy WML or whatever his name is was banned, for some transgression the nature of which was not been completely made public, but which appeared to go far beyond the typical name calling?
I guess after sufficient begging ST let him back in (which is fine, if that's what they want to do, but I at least hope he learned some lesson, Fat Albert style).
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Dec 11, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
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Anyone know how many large ice-dammed lakes(glacial and proglacial) existed in recent history, like the last 30,000 years?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Dec 11, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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perhaps Chiloe or 'his ilk' ....
10,000 years of warming, of vanishing islands and land bridges,
When we have visitors on a summer afternoon, sitting outdoors with cool beverages, I sometimes start waving arms and telling them my vision ... that about 20,000 years back the peaceful yard they are looking at, which slopes down to the east, was the location of an ice cliff where the front of the Laurentide Ice Sheet calved huge bergs into the prehistoric North Atlantic. The rationale for my vision, besides the landscape which looks like an old shoreline, is that we're sitting above sand deposits of the kind that form when a subglacial river empties into deep water and drops what it carried. Not far away there's a kettle hole, a depression in the forest where one iceberg was buried and left behind as the ice sheet retreated, and that berg took some centuries to melt.
But in response to your question yeah, climate science is strongly informed by paleoclimatology including everything that we know about sea level change. Actually it tends to be the paleoclimatologists, those most immersed in ancient change data, who raise the most dire warnings about the future. The modelers tend to be more moderate, their computer Earths aren't as violent as the real Earth that paleo folks are seeing.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Dec 11, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
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Bring back the BERING LAND BRIDGE!
Warmists should put that on their
tic list right after controlling the climate.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
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Thanks blahblah for being upfront about this, and same to DMT.
You [k-man] and Sketch seemed to engage in prolonged, ridiculous, over-the-top personal feud. I don't know if either of you could fairly be said to have "started it."
True, over-the-top and ridiculous. I called Sketch on the fact that he was often attacking other posters, and usually doing so in a passive-aggressive manner. It was tiresome for me and I felt it was dragging the conversation down. After I called him out, he began to attack everything I posted, and down we'd go. I had to tell myself to just not respond.
I believe he genuinely tried to advance the climate change "debate," although his posts frequently devolved into personal attacks.
Sketch would post things, but rarely would he explain why he was posting a certain tid-bit or attempt to back up what he posted. Mostly it seemed he posted to get reactions from people. Not that it's a bad thing. But let's be realistic, when you start calling EdH a dumbass, you know something is amiss.
There are certain people who bring the "campfire" of SuperTopo down in level. The total of their contributions weighs on the negative scale, and it takes a toll.
It's not difficult to get razzed in conversations and slide into fits of name-calling. Certainly, some folks are more reactive than others. But some great contributors have gone the way of the sword here, even though the net content of what they wrote gave a lot to the forum.
Many of those folks I miss.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Dec 11, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
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That's what I mean by the fence. If you want me to sacrifice a (literally) 30-year career, you are going to have to provide me stunning proof of the continued folly of that career, or you are going to have to force me to quit it.
When I see the issue framed in terms of "What will YOU sacrifice???" that's often coming from status-quo protectors who want you to shut up. If Al Gore meant what he said then he'd live in a yurt! This shut-up tactic is so hackneyed that some moderated websites have banned it.
If you could teleport to Mars tomorrow, like Doctor Manhattan, instantly reducing your carbon footprint to zero, greenhouse gas buildup on Earth would continue just the same. It's fundamentally a commons dilemma that individual decisions might solve in principle but they can't manage in practice, because if you use less it's in someone else's interest to ride free, or even to use more.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
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The global oil surplus is growing daily.
Right-want more oil, just add water.
How do you "make" the Chinese follow through on an agreement. Or the Russians. Or the Indians. Or the....
Somebody has to take the first steps. But you are not going to get public buy-in if the MSM keeps suppressing the facts of what climate scientists have found. Nor will you get anywhere if you let the FF industry into the talks.
BTW The Chief, have you heard of the Heartland Institute, the right-wing think tank? Do you know what they promote in terms of climate science?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
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The Chief, there are books written on the subject. If you are really interested, I suggest you pick one up and read it.
From what I see, it's going to take a radical change in the way we live our day-to-day lives, and many people will loose their jobs as a result. But we must shift our economy away from the perpetual growth machine that it is.
We must get $$$ and multinational corporations out of our political system.
We must rework our transportation systems.
Localize energy production and food production/distribution.
Plus many more serious changes to our current way of life.
Don't like the answer? It doesn't matter, that is what it's going to take. The alternative is to do nothing, and watch as we zoom past the point where we do have choices.
And that's not my view, it's what the science says.
68%: The amount of U.S. CO2 increase from 1988, when Hansen warned us of the problem (this is from memory, I might be off).
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 11, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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And what you recite there Kelly is the canned recipe for disaster that you have swallowed hook, line, and sinker.
If you really believe this you would find the courage to remove your personal human stain of existence to restore balance to the delicate eco system of mother Earth. Abort now, so others more deserving can live on in harmony.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 11, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
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Truly a bunch of gutless wonders, Chief.
They are convinced they are consuming their descendants future, day by day, with their relentless consumption of resources and resultant release of human sewage, fouling the earth, the skies, the waters. Yet, they continue on, expecting others to sacrifice for them.
If you morons had any balls you'd move to Oregon where it's legal to have assistance in your personal final solution. Friggin Nazi's
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