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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Oct 27, 2009 - 02:14am PT
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Wait I get it!
You're actually a Bahai?
That way you can revere both Zoroastriaism and Islam.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
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Oct 27, 2009 - 02:21am PT
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Canadian, and parents Canadian also. Though as much of Norwegian ancestry as anything.
I thought it would be fun to post the beginning parts of the holy books of several religions, with Zoroastrianism of course being at the base of the monotheistic religions. You got Zoroastrianism and Islam; I wonder if anyone will figure out the first one? And there are some good ones to come.
As all these various holy books are supposed to be revealed truth, whatever their murky roots, it seemed apropos to post a bit from each - though history, oral tradition, and transmission probably haven't helped any of them. One wonders what the supposed founders of any of these religions would make of it all.
Either that, or it's part of my Quran-Avesta Code book project.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Oct 27, 2009 - 02:45am PT
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My misunderstanding about ethnicity due to other posts. You've got two generations up on my sister and and one on my brother-in-law in Vancouver.
Meanwhile, I applaud the idea of paying respect to all religions, not just the Christian and Atheist faiths so far discussed on this thread.
I was lost on the first posting however. Then again, I've never been good with numbers.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 27, 2009 - 03:13am PT
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Werner!
Yes I am aware, that is why I am stressing His Love now Werner, for we are under the Covenant of Grace right now.
It will not last for ever as a matter of fact it will becoming to an end somewhere about halfway through the Tribulation.
Love is Just one of His attributes of which He has many. Righteousness, Mercy, Peace, Justice etc.
He will be a God of Judgement at the Great White Thrown Judgement. In which
He will send, sinners to the Lake of Fire which was meant only for the devil and his angels.
I was responding to Wanda, because because Wanda was suggesting that Jesus
was contrary to what He is described in the new Testament by displaying the God of Israelites of the Old Testament.
AS I have already stated two totally different covenants.
The Old Testament Covenant was Israel- And God was the God of only Israel.
They had to they were given the Promised Land all of Canaan and had to conquer the land. God instructed them on how to do it.
We are under a new Covenant of Grace now and as the two new Commandments state.
"The rich young ruler asked what must I do to get into Heaven? Jesus answered "You must first love the Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul and with all your mind,and with all your strength. And the second is much the same You must love your neighbor as yourself".
Iam fully aware of God's wrath and Vengence and have dealt with His Anger in my life. I pushed His patience to the limit and paid dearly for it.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 27, 2009 - 03:35am PT
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Werner- "But God's love is perfect he will kick your ass"
That's right and it is for your own good.
It is called chastisement!
"For whom the Lord Loves He chastens, and scourges every son He receives"
I have personally learned the hard way many times.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 27, 2009 - 04:08am PT
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"Christian and Atheist faiths"
Another equivalency attack. Atheism, in a wild stretch, is only a 'faith' in the same way not believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy is a 'faith'.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 27, 2009 - 04:11am PT
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WBraun!
I know how you feel Werner, I am starting to get on my own nerves, so I think I'll take a break for a few day's.
Peace!
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Oct 27, 2009 - 08:26am PT
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your religion is a shortcut to clarity. to greatness.
its like riding a chopper to the summit instead of climbing there.
thus your position is false among the stars.
you don't belong there. you aren't there.
something for nothing. hence the grand attraction to the masses.
if only it stopped there. other zealous fuks fling their opinions around
on fluffy bullets and bombs invading and eradicating those of different ideas.
you all are fooled by life.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 27, 2009 - 12:07pm PT
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Dr. F, I've seen plants like that in Namibia, though they weren't flowering. Thanks again for your wonderful photos.
Christopher Hitchens talks about his recent public debates with Christians:
http://www.slate.com/id/2233586/
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 27, 2009 - 12:32pm PT
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Survival is only one aspect of it, Dr. F. Propagation is the fundamental requirement of natural selection. Those plant's forebearers not only had to survive, but they had to survive long enough to produce seed.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 27, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
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How come god had to "rest" on the seventh day? Was she tired, needed a nap?
Why did it take god six entire days to create the earth?
Surely she could have done this with a blink of her eyes, like on "Bewitched"
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 27, 2009 - 05:29pm PT
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The way I see it Dr. F, God doesn't judge us, we judge ourselves as our own inner consciousness witnesses everything we do, including our motives.
That why, when Jesus says "Judge not, lest ye be judged" he's only pointing to the automatic process that's built into all our minds. We judge others and ourselves in the same breath and invite our own retribution on an subconscious level. Look within and you'll see your life reflects our own attitudes toward yourself. You don't need to include God in this equation if you don't want.
But quit making assumptions about how some projected God must be. Obviously the old time religions tended to oversimplify the nature of God
The only reason I'm still posting to this thread is to encourage others not to throw the baby out with the fundamentalist bathwater. No matter what, all us humans are stuck wrestling with the mystery of our own existence. Not to do so is about as dull as life could be. Of course, that should include a knowledge of what science says about it too.
Whether you believe science or religion, the world is absolutely nothing like we see it with our senses. That's worth chewing on
Peace
Karl
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 27, 2009 - 05:49pm PT
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The problem with reality of the universe is that it's very complicated and difficult to understand. It's full of apparent paradoxes.
The universe doesn't seem very friendly to humans. It would be much better to have a world that was made specifically for us and another place for us to go when we die.
In our minds we can have exactly that which comforts us the most. Our construct of reality doesn't change reality. The universe is what it is.
We each go about finding about reality in different ways.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
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Oct 27, 2009 - 06:51pm PT
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My first post was some of the new testament of the bible, in the original Syriac/Aramaic. I thought it would add to the textual/historical discussion we've been having. And here's a nice bit from another syncretistic religion. (Actually, they're all syncretistic.)
ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ
ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
And so that everyone's on an equal footing, I suggest that the following naming conventions be adopted for the various belief systems.
Christianism.
Islamism.
Fascism.
Judaism.
Communism.
Sikhism.
Buddhism.
LEBism.
Hinduism.
Warblerism.
Neo-conservatism. (If it's a belief, rather than an illness.)
Zoroastrianism.
Atheism.
Agnosticism.
Fattyism.
Liberalism.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 27, 2009 - 06:57pm PT
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It's really convenient to get to pick and choose what you believe.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 27, 2009 - 07:04pm PT
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"Karl, You are not a Christian, I can see why you sympathise with them, but it is good for them to put their beliefs under a little scrutiny.
According to them, you will never go to heaven, and are a sinner for having mystical beliefs, and have not surrendered to Jesus
I think you should join us in pointing their faulty understanding of God"
I think I've been encouraging everyone to question their understandings. For folks who even follow the letter of any religion, each has their own individual understanding and perspective. For folks that study science, concepts of reality are still not the same as the thing itself. Perhaps we put way too much emphasis on what we think and believe and so we fight about it.
That's unfortunate because my experience is that, when their brains aren't tweaked about something, everyone endeavors to be a good person and is fine to get along with.
PEace
Karl
PS If Fatty gets on the ticket, I'll vote for him...that's not an endorsement though. If reality bends that far backwards, I'll go with it!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
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Oct 27, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
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I completely forgot Dr. Fism, and Nortonism. And maybe some others.
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