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climber
Hebrews 1:3
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Aug 29, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
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When's the book signing!
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turd
climber
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Aug 29, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
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Olivia Hussey. (R&J)
I can do this all day
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Mr Roy
climber
Seattle
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Aug 30, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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Hey zB, don't forget this one.. I think it is important to this thread..
"Preventing marijuana possession or use on federal property."
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Aug 30, 2013 - 09:59am PT
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turd you are the man, two nickels and climbing
Mr Roy - and what's worse Federalism is a state of mind exhibiting little Common Sense.
“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.”
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2013 - 12:45am PT
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I know a few have commented that outside of the climbing community there is no interest in the plane. Sad to think that their world revolves around them as it is.
I would invite you to the following facebook page. As you scroll down you'll see photos of the plane before it crashed as well as a comment by a guy the was the mechanic for the plane.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Howard-Aero/152969558064942
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Albion
Trad climber
Bristol, UK
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Hey Rick, is that correct then, what Stephen Ruby said?
"catastrophic wing separation that was due to sabotage"
Implies there was no engine failure but a wing came off due to sabotage.
Someone loosened some bolts eh?
Explains the initial finding of just one wing some way from the lake I guess...
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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LOADstar Lightning never strikes twice.
Can we at least get some calculations on the mean time to failure of wings at various torque settings. C'mon now isn't this a scientific endeaver?
How many bolts? Metric?
Was it the Arellano-Felix group fiddling with the clevis?
Why din't they just shoot 'em or hang them from a bridge.
Who was president in 1977?
EDIT:
No takers huh?
Well it was Jimmy Carter and we all remember the UFO Incident
One evening in 1969, two years before he became governor of Georgia, Carter was preparing to give a speech at a Lions Club meeting. At about 7:15 p.m (EST), one of the guests called his attention to a strange object that was visible about 30 degrees above the horizon to the west of where he was standing. Carter described the object as being bright white and as being about as bright as the moon. It was said to have appeared to have closed in on where he was standing but to have stopped beyond a stand of pine trees some distance from him. The object is then said to have changed color, first to blue, then to red, then back to white, before appearing to recede into the distance.
Carter felt that the object was self-luminous, but not a solid in nature. Carter's report indicates that it was witnessed by about ten or twelve other people, and was in view for ten to twelve minutes before it passed out of sight
There has to be a connection. Wrenching and riding aliens?
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scooter
climber
fist clamp
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Supertopo is always a very " scientific endeaver".
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Depends who you ask scooter, some would say that this was all "created" for us in some mysterious way. That's for another thread tho!
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
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When I interviewed the guy that had the salvage contract up at the lake, I asked him who was present when the plane was hauled out? He said his crew and a couple of Park Rangers. He said NTSB was not present. Through a FOIA request I asked NTSB to provide me with all reports, field notes, photos, and sketches. They responded that they had no records for this event in their archives. After talking to a retired NTSB investigator, he was not surprised. Dope smugglers die in a plane that is no longer being produced for commercial sale.
I have heard from over four different sources that they thought the plane had been tampered with. Each speak of a different part of the plane. The only real piece of evidence was in the fuselage of the aircraft when it was hauled out. A new oil line for the left engine was found in its wooden crate. The pilot Glisky had been told in Mexico when the plane was being loaded that there was an oil leak in the left engine. He said he knew and would have it replaced after this flight.
There is no evidence that can point at these other stories as proof. The plane was hauled out of the lake, cut up in pieces that a helicopter could lift out to a flatbed tractor trailer and then hauled down to a junk yard in Fresno. I think we've located the yard, but the guy running it says all plane crash debris is brought to him and he can't remember the event.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Why couldn't you haul the old plane parts back to the valley for a facelift rebuild project...How many gallons of glue would it take to re-assemble the beast..?
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Albion
Trad climber
Bristol, UK
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OK Rick, so do you reckon Ruby is on the money or is he just repeating hearsay?
You imply an oil problem with an engine, but being told about said problem before the flight doesn't really sound like sabotage.
Plus was Glisky just an 'employee' or what? No-one would deliberately down their own plane and waste a full load unless the stakes were higher than the load (and plane's) value would they? Or was there something else going on?
Oh yea, that's probably the main piece of intrigue that's gonna sell your book so I don't suppose you want to spell out what the dudes south of the border told you, fair enough.
Still waiting to buy a copy by the way :-)
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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. . . etc.
another month, another post, not another book, nor even a chapter . . . nor even a chapter of contents
perhaps licky has too much data coming in from his buddies at the NSA to cram it all into a book
. . . etc.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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I have to say, this is getting to be almost as tedious as the thread where "pyro" (aka "Medusa" aka Jeff Constine) continually revives his long-dead, self-masturbatory and self-propogated "appreciation" thread by posting endless pictures of himself, many (if knott most) of them self-portraits.
Carry on...
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Did someone say Self masturbation pictures?
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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^ They're no longer allowed on the Taco. They went the way of the boob thread, except a year or so earlier.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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NTSB doesn't devote many resources to General Aviation accidents especially, as Licky noted,
it is a relatively rare plane and nobody of any consequence is involved. Even Galen Rowell's
crash was a fairly cursory investigation. With that in mind I fail to see how any conclusions
can be anything other than conjecture based on hearsay.
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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It will be a good book. Keep plugging away.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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$1,000.00 INCENTIVE
Information regarding the above photo: Where? When? What? Why? And especially WHO and whom/whomers?
Close: less $$$$ but right on guaranteed. I doubt there will be any but you never know: Four possibilities’.
Info sent would be classified and kept classified; would not even have to give your name just the details.
My assessment: I am sure I will not get any but strange things do happen for reasons unknown.
And you would think this thread is dead or run it's course.
You want to start sidmo
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