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Craig Fry
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So Cal.
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The HSR is a low priority on Brown's plate.
I think it won't happen, and he is as surely as smart as me
Just to much Opposition!
The opposition won't let us have nice new things, they don't want the money invested into the public good.
The future will be defunded by squashing all good ideas we have now, just forget about any improvements that we could make or have any hope for a better future.
I'm not a HSR fan, and knew from the start it was a none starter
But isn't this an debate we should have?
Should we think about the future or not?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The NY Times publishes all kinds of hit pieces on Obama and Hillary
The question is
Does Obama’s claim that Keystone XL oil ‘bypasses the U.S.’ earn Four Pinocchios?
Or not?
I never heard Obama say it "bypasses the U.S.", he didn't make it some Huge Talking Point that he is campaigning on, do we have to dissect every word he utters
Do the charges matter at this time?
It's such a weak claim, that the only reason anyone would care about it is that they want to throw some more sh#t at Obama.
It's pathetic
When will the instinctive sh#t throwing end?
How many Pinocchios did they give Bush for claiming Saddam had WMDs?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"...last summer we traveled around on trains doing 300 kph+ and I'm thinking "why can't we do this in the US?""
Yeah, I went to Japan a couple of years ago, and lamented the same thing. Their public transportation system is unbelievably effective & efficient.
But as I thought about it further, the idea of having the same system here in the US (esp. Cali) just doesn't make any sense. The genie is pretty much out of the bottle here...life & workstyles have been well established for generations, and personal vehicles are a central part of the identity of this culture (no matter how much dysfunction that might create).
Population densities (as mentioned above) are another stark contrast...and then there's the whole matter of private property, which would require significant encroachment in order for a similar type of network. No politician is gonna touch that, eminent domain or not.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I part company with classic libertarianism on government regulation, which I think is essential to allowing a capitalist economy to function properly.
It's so hard to get clear on the labels!
I'm a philosophical libertarian (closest to a 19th century "classical liberal"), but none of that perspective maps neatly onto present-day political libertarianism, much less contemporary liberalism!
I'm with you on regulation, and I wish the federal government would do much more in the way of anti-trust protection (one of its actual powers, btw!). How does Comcast/Time-blah,blah,blah even lift its head for consideration???
Anyway, by "classic libertarianism," do you mean contemporary political libertarianism, as in what the libertarian party "thinks," etc.?
Thanks!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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crankster
Trad climber
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What a joke, Bibi. Makes Dick Cheney look sane.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
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Good old Nutteryahoo.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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The NY Times publishes all kinds of hit pieces on Obama and Hillary
The question is
Does Obama’s claim that Keystone XL oil ‘bypasses the U.S.’ earn Four Pinocchios?
Or not?
I never heard Obama say it "bypasses the U.S.", he didn't make it some Huge Talking Point that he is campaigning on, do we have to dissect every word he utters
Do the charges matter at this time?
It's such a weak claim, that the only reason anyone would care about it is that they want to throw some more sh#t at Obama.
It's pathetic
When will the instinctive sh#t throwing end?
How many Pinocchios did they give Bush for claiming Saddam had WMDs?
This^, like many of your posts, indicate an unwillingness to acknowledge inconvenient details.
Throughout his Presidency, Obama has done his best to postpone approval, putting the onus on "the need for further study". After multiple environmental studies showed no reason to reject the project, Congress approved a bill for its construction. Obama vetoed it. Why? Just because he felt like it.
That's leadership.
I don't consider this veto all that important. My beef is it's another example of Obama indicating he'll move forward once certain criteria are met. Once they are met, Obama balks.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Obama vetoed it. Why? Just because he felt like it."
Yep, that's what I call leadership, too. We don't need that damn thing, not one little bit.
Don't fret about it too much...Hillary will be much more to your liking, and she's just around the corner.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Why? Just because he felt like it.
Actually no. So why then? Because it's just hard to come up with a more ignorant way of producing oil than tar sands. It should under no circumstances be encouraged in any way.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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This^, like many of your posts, indicate an unwillingness to acknowledge inconvenient details.
Yes, why do you have an unwillingness to acknowledge the inconvenient details that the Congress has been bought off by the Koch Brothers.
The Corporate media pressure has been intense to bias the public in their favor.
Every Day they are losing millions in Profit!!
There are such big bucks involved, it's curious why every Republican fell in line for the scam.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Netanyahu's Iran speech
I didn't listen to it.
There is much to say about the speech and why he was allowed to speak today.
I just wanted to point out that the guy is nothing more than a Warmonger Neocon.
He came before Congress in 2002 telling us that we need to Invade Iraq...
Before it's TOO Late!!!
Now we need to snub Iran and hope we can provoke them into a reason that we need to Bomb them. That's the plan. Stop working with them. We don't want you to start working out a plan to bring Iran back into an ally/friend status, even though it's within reach.
Is that what we really want? I think it will just start another war.
Is that what the majority of America want? No.
Obama has been working hard to work on a Nuclear agreement with Iran.
To sabotage his efforts with Iran now? after so much progress has been made?
Netanyahu Lied About Iraq’s WMDs, Now He’s Saying the Same Things About Iran
By: Sarah Jones more from Sarah Jones
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/10/republicans-netanhayu-charge-u-s-foreign-policy-bush.html
Tuesday, February, 10th, 2015, 2:40 pm
Netanyahu has been saying the same things about Iran that he incorrectly said about Iraq in 2002 as he sold the Iraq war to the U.S.
In 2012, Juan Cole went back to 2002 to point out that Netanyahu was saying the same inaccurate fear-mongering stuff about Iran that he said about Iraq.
Here’s what Netanyahu was saying then:
“There is no question whatsoever that Saddam was seeking nuclear weapons,” Netanyahu said, misleading Congress in 2002. He claimed Iraq had Centrifuges “the size of washing machines” to produce the A-bomb. And as Cole wrote, “He said that Israeli intelligence reported to him that Russian scientists and North Korea were on site and actively aiding this phantom nuclear weapons program.”
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I sent a ST PM to Dirtbag about a week ago, I wonder if he ever got it?
But the message was:
You need to start a new Political Thread called:
"The Political Debate Thread"
So as to set up a more neutral platform for our political debates.
But if he doesn't want to, someone else should.
Someone that can take the abuse, someone that has earned respect, someone that will activate the thread so it's the Only Political Thread On ST that survives.
I of course will not start it, since it could be deleted by Admin w/o any explanation.
Hopefully a troll won't fill the vacuum.
Oh there I go again..
trying to improve the ST forum
Damn you Craig, will you just GIVE IT UP
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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That's a great idea, Craig.
I vote for dirt to nuke this one, and start one following your suggestion. dirt?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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And just why the hell do those crazy Iranians feel like they need nukes?
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crankster
Trad climber
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TGT, should we start launching missiles in any particular direction or just push the buttons and worry about aiming later?
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
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Mar 3, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
I sent a ST PM to Dirtbag about a week ago, I wonder if he ever got it?
But the message was:
You need to start a new Political Thread called:
"The Political Debate Thread"
I didn't get it.
I have no particular attachment to this thread. I plagiarized your title because it has a tradition as a dumping ground for politard BS. I could care less if this is nuked and replaced by another.
I said awhile ago I would not nuke this thread. However, I seriously doubt someone will ever want to look up a post from here more than a day or two old.
So, I'll put it to a vote:
Would anyone object if I nuke this thread and step aside so someone else can create another dumping ground called "Stoopid Dumfook politard BS" or the like?
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