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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2010 - 11:56am PT
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In Canada, we prosecute Holocaust-deniers. Our Criminal Code prohibits "the willful promotion of hatred against an identifiable group", and it was upheld as constitutional by our Supreme Court, notwithstanding our right to freedom of expression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._v._Keegstra
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:01pm PT
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the disinformation team is obviously very knowledgeable and resourceful
Wow, just Wow!
And since you guys seem drawn to shiny pics;
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:05pm PT
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:16pm PT
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so now that we have determined by weight of crowd sourcing that everyone on this thread is nuts; we can go onto the next step of determining who is the most nuts: the nuts interested in the information, or the nuts interested in defaming any nuts interested in the information
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2010 - 12:16pm PT
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Tony,
Great find. Very interesting article.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein
Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs."
In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites -- as well as other activist groups -- which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper's abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.
We know this happens. There is considerable effort to do this. Even the FBI would infiltrate Anti-War and Peace Activist groups in the well known program called COINTELPRO, and this continues today.
I should repost the link to the new handbook on "Terrorism," paid for by a grant from the DoJ. Every buzzword we have discussed is in there. Yes, they want to paint everyone who uses these words or anyone who discusses these concepts or ideas, as "Terrorists" who are involved in Criminal Activities.
DoJ Terrorism and Criminal Extremism Terms and Concepts Guide
http://publicintelligence.net/doj-terrorism-and-criminal-extremism-terms-and-concepts-guide/
Here is the actual DoJ download of the Book:
Investigating Terrorism and Criminal Extremism, Terms and Concepts
http://info.publicintelligence.net/DoJTerrorismCriminalExtremismTerms.pdf
Unbelievable. They are really and truly desperate.
No actually, good country loving US citizens who uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights and abide by the law who want to save our country, just want to know the truth, and we are tired of our government lying and covering-up. Not only that, the World is tired of it.
(Edit: I have an experiment in mind. I have my problem/Observation. I have my hypothesis. I have my experimental design, and I have my prediction for the experimental outcome. Now I just have to do my experiment . . . I'll post the results when I can.)
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:30pm PT
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You are right Klimmer.
Clearly anyone who thinks reptilian alien/humans is kooky must be a government loving tool.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:52pm PT
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This and related threads would have been much improved by a few Ouch! cartoons.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
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ok, i repent!
the common sense crowd knows best
the earth is flat
the sky is a crystal dome with little holes in it that let the light of heaven shine through
angels visit us riding silver disk-shaped chariots from heaven
have i mentioned that we have much to learn?
(i am eager to hear more about your flat earth theories. i'm sure you have fine answers for all the mysteries of the universe that have been troubling me)
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 14, 2010 - 01:20pm PT
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Isn't this your company, Tom?
Raytheon Co.
Washington, DC: (Mar-15-07) The US Securities and Exchange Commission filed charges against three former Raytheon Co. executives, Franklyn Caine, former chief financial officer; Edward Pliner, former controller; and James Gray, former chief financial officer of Raytheon Aircraft Co. The lawsuit accused them of improper accounting involving Raytheon's commercial aircraft unit. The SEC claimed that Raytheon improperly recognized revenue between 1997 and 1999 on Raytheon Aircraft Co.'s sale of unfinished aircraft through "bill and hold" sales transactions, which led to material overstatements of annual net sales revenue and operating income in 1997 and 1998. The transactions resulted in the failure to recognize between $67 million and $240 million in losses. The three agreed to settle and pay a total $1.5 million. [REUTERS: RAYTHEON ACCOUNTING]
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2010 - 01:44pm PT
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I repeat . . .
You know after all the name calling and "mud slinging" subsides I just come back to this -- the reality that there is something intelligently designed that is massive on the backside of the Moon . . .
Yes, it challenges everyone, but there it is . . .
(Has anyone out there is SuperTopo-landia viewed these in stereo besides myself? So who has done so? Fess-up.)
Official NASA Apollo 15 stereopair:
Official NASA Apollo 17 stereopairs:
"Unofficial" NASA Apollo 20 stereopair:
Official NASA Apollo 15 on the left, and "Unofficial" NASA Apollo 20 image on the right. This is a stereopair and it matches. Background detail matches. Crater detail matches. Rock fall detail matches. Lunar rock detail matches. Mothership detail matches. Seems to me a perfect match all around:
"unofficial" Apollo 20 fly-over stereopairs:
Has anyone else seen the gold-like foil or mylar wreckage on the ground (the Lunar regolith) scattered around near the "Mothership" that CMDR William Rutledge talks about in an interview? You can see it in the above fly-over stereopairs.
Take a look-see with a stereoscope.
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wbw
climber
'cross the great divide
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Oct 14, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
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Is it my imagination, or does the photo show that there is a vagina on the surface of the moon???
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 14, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
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You know after all the name calling and "mud slinging" subsides I just come back to this -- the reality that there is something intelligently designed that is massive on the backside of the Moon . . .
Yes, it challenges everyone, but there it is . . .
If there is anything there, Tom must have the close-ups at home in a box in his closet. Next time you are headed up to Santa Cruz or San Jose you should pay him a visit and find out.
It's probably in a box like this:
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 14, 2010 - 02:57pm PT
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Unbelievable. They are really and truly desperate.
No actually, good country loving US citizens who uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights and abide by the law who want to save our country, just want to know the truth, and we are tired of our government lying and covering-up. Not only that, the World is tired of it.
klimmer, that is an entirely new conspiracy, start another thread will yuh?
Is it my imagination, or does the photo show that there is a vagina on the surface of the moon???
wbw,
that observation only proves that you are the only sane one here and are not a government tool or an alien. i thought i saw some breasts too!
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 14, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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...yawn...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati
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Oct 14, 2010 - 03:49pm PT
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Pate, now there is coffee all over the keyboard!
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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Oct 14, 2010 - 04:18pm PT
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That "Mothership" shot looks like it came from someone's home aquarium.
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OR
Trad climber
VT
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Oct 14, 2010 - 04:30pm PT
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How does one deduce that a mothership is in that Photo?
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 14, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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Active imagination, wishful thinking, conspiratorial mindset, and quite a bit of drugs.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 14, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
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Ok Klimmer, I have been staring at the cylinder. It could be anything naturally explained such as rockfall, or a piece of not completely broken up meteor impact, or just a piece of rock.
Why does it simply have to be an alien ship?
Why is this your inevitable conclusion? Seriously?
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