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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 30, 2014 - 11:55am PT
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As usual old Frosty makes a complere crusty brained fool of himself. He then compounds this embarassing condition through endless blathering.
WTF do you think a refrigerator is exactly, if not a radiator?
The Earth by contrast is a poor radiator/good insulator from the internal heat source. In spite of sitting atop thousands of vertical miles of the superheated to molten rock , the surface radiates at only .08 wm2. Think of it as the inverse of the oceans only exponentially larger. Solar radiation penetrates mere inches at best, leaving the poor conduction from surface temperature as the only effective near surface heat source and then only penetrating mere multiples of feet , the exact depth dependent upon the thermal resistivity of its particular ground cover and moisture content of the soil. Below several feet to hundreds of feet the temps decrease to a steady temp nearly unaffected by anything other than the longest of trends in surface temps and incident intrusion through faults. The rock below insulates quite well from the heat of mantle to core. Generally, conduction from the interior doesn't start raising the temps before thousands of feet. The answer to your question of permafrost depth is that it can extend in excess of a thousand feet deep, once again dependent upon moisture content.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Nov 30, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
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Trend lines as outliers?
What is this is?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Nov 30, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
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Coo, then maybe you could explain it to me? Any bike time these days?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
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Hey K-man,
Which lines are outliers?
Sketch, don't you already know the answer here? I mean, you made the graph.
It seems silly that Sketch keeps asking questions to which he knows the answer. Or, maybe he doesn't know the answer, in which case it proves my point that Sketch posts graphs that he cannot explain why they have any merit.
This raises an interesting question: What does a better job of giving the impression that Sketch is sharp:
 He asks questions to which he already knows the answer.
He posts graphs that he doesn't have a clue as to what they mean.
I know, tough choice.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Nov 30, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
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Unless the scientific community and political leaders act soon,
cold, dark days are ahead, because the evidence is clear that
the earth is rapidly growing colder because of
diminished solar activity,
says author John L. Casey, former NASA consultant.
“All you have to do is trust natural cycles and follow the facts, and that
leads you to the inevitable conclusion that the sun controls the climate,
and that a new cold era has begun,”
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 30, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
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dave729 claims to be a scientist... maybe he can provide some science to back up the "former NASA consultant" claim...
I doubt it.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2014 - 07:32am PT
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I was just curious if you could answer my question.
Instead of answering the question (a simple question), you resort to ad homs.
I asked you a question ("Interesting graph Sketch has made--but can he explain why it's relevant to our discussion?").
In reply you posted a nonsensical graph and asked me to explain it.
Answering a question with a question?
If your question was to quiz me, quizzes are usually given by teachers to see if students have learned what they are teaching.
So the onus is back on you Sketch, what are you trying to teach.
You yourself say the question is easy. Got an answer to your own question?
Or how about my original one, where I ask you to tell us why your graph has any relevance to this conversation. Can you do it?
As for your "ad homs" remark, you must be referring to somebody else.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2014 - 08:10am PT
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Or how about my original one, where I ask you to tell us why your graph has any relevance to this conversation. Can you do it?
Looks like we have our response.
Sketch, you don't look very sharp when you post graphs that you have no idea what they mean.
That's not ad homs, it's simply observation.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2014 - 09:59am PT
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Sketch
Trad climber
Yet again, ...
Wow Sketch, you really put me in my place with that sharply articulated retort.
Do let us know when you have other flashes of brilliance.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Bruce severe butt hurt kay knows that global warming is a hoax. Ed knows
also but cannot admit it because his paycheck depends on toeing the hoaxers line. Curious world we live in where people will lie for cash.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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dave729 wrote:
Ed knows also but cannot admit it because his paycheck depends on toeing the hoaxers line. Curious world we live in where people will lie for cash.
that's an interesting accusation, another assertion of your's that you can't back up with anything. And your anonymous avatar protects you from having to actually stand behind what you said. No scientists I know would be so cowardly.
As far as what my paycheck depends on, it isn't climate research (though it would have been a very interesting field to be a part of professionally). I have no financial stake in the outcome at all.
Of course we don't know anything about dave729 except he doesn't want anyone to know who he is, and is not accountable for what he writes here.
Scum.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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It seems to me this thread has degenerated more than ever, mostly due to inane posts by deniers. Apparently it would need to be moderated to be worthwhile.
Instead I've been watching some good TED Talks lately on a Netflix series, which are basically more intelligent and don't feel like such a waste of time.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dave is right in that many CAGW supporters here are capable of determining that the forecasted consequences of the psuedo science is a hoax.
However their adherance to the official authoritarian line is maintained by a more powerfull motivator than mere money. Its in their learned ideology, which in their more lucid moments they surely recognize is not in their or their descendants best interest. How they got to this confused state is the sixty four thousand dollar question. Herd mentality, acceptance by their peers, external projection of blame for their own inadequacies, insanity; these are the most common explanations for their neuroses. There are many more and subvariants.
Lest the lucid go down with these crackpots in their leaking ship, they must constantly engage these forces of chaos or suffer in common their self inflicted afflictions.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2014 - 07:24am PT
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I cracked open my new book, This Changes Everything by Naomi Klien.
I'm only a few pages in, but here is an interesting thought from the Intro:
I have spent the last fifteen years immersed in research about societies undergoing extreme shocks--caused by economic meltdowns, natural disasters, terrorist attacks, and wars. And I have looked deeply into how societies change in these periods of tremendous stress. How these events change the collective sense of what is possible, for better but mostly for worse. As I discussed in my last book, "The Shock Doctrine," over the past four decades corporate interests have systematically exploited these various forms of crisis to ram through policies that enrich a small elite--by lifting regulations, cutting social spending, and forcing large-scale privatizations of the the public sphere. They have also been the excuse for extreme crackdowns on civil liberties and chilling human rights violations.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Me, extremely well read-not. Unlike academics, or in your case academic wannabe, for the vast majority the doings of life trumps fantasizing about some idealized state.
Long ago ,on this thread I suggested most of you idiots are not extremely well read. This has much more to do with the myopic filtering that allows only synaptic connection with understanding consistent with the narrow range of learned ideology than volume of literature read.
Unfortunately Frosty, your head is so far up your bowel that the only thing you can see or feel is the burning irritation of your own digestive juices.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2014 - 08:07am PT
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Unfortunately Frosty, your head is so far up your bowel that the only thing you can see or feel is the burning irritation of your own digestive juices.
I gotta admit rick, that is quite the line.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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well read? No. Tediously verbose? Yes.
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