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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 19, 2011 - 03:34pm PT
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I am reluctant to wade in here, but the several posts about an "aid climbing movie" or a "lame climbing film" have got me interested. I agree climbing movies are like watching paint dry and I don't make "climbing" films. What interests me about this story are the basic fundamentals of drama and storytelling. Controversy, conflict, human achievement, hardship and unrelenting desire are the tenants of this story, not clipping and hauling. Please wait for the film and then you may bash away at it, but swinging at the air is ridiculous.
Jeff V.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Aug 19, 2011 - 03:35pm PT
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i had the same reaction as donini...watching climbing can sometimes be like watching grass grow....
Re-read Jim's many (same tune) posts. He is not saying what you just said. I have no problem with what you just said. I entirely agree with it.
I do have a problem with a guy whose only "contribution" to this topic has always been to repeatedly say that there's nothing here worth discussing. And that's not about me (admitted mental issues aside). That's about anybody who thinks the topic has any importance. And, as I said, he explicitly disses on Ammon and Kait with such comments. Yes, I do have a problem with that.
It's an obvious fact that there's something worth discussing here. What are Jim's "mental issues" that ALL he ever says when he posts is the same thing again and again and again and again...: "Nothing here to see folks."
I calls 'em as I sees 'em. If that means "crap on me," then so be it.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 19, 2011 - 03:43pm PT
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Jim is just trying to give the perspective of a very, very,very big world to some folks, on both sides of the issue, whose world is very, very small.
i think this is the most lucid post you have ever made....
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Aug 19, 2011 - 03:43pm PT
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And exactly what "big world" perspective is that, exactly?
"Guys, guys. I HAVE to keep on and keep on and keep on coming into these threads again and again and again and again... whew... to KEEP telling you that there's nothing here to talk about!"
Yeah, okay. I mean, we GET it and all, but somehow we just seem to keep ignoring his lofty, elevated (superior) "big picture."
For a guy with the "big picture," he just doesn't seem to get the picture.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Aug 19, 2011 - 03:46pm PT
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And my "small world" perspective just happens to include very, very little of this discussion any more. I haven't posted her in months. I'm rarely on the taco any more. The WoS incident is a tiny, tiny part of my psyche now.
But, that said, when I do check things out, I'm still happy to call BS on anybody that's floating it around.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Aug 19, 2011 - 03:49pm PT
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Just curious, Madbolter is Richard or Mark, and what avitar does the other one go by?
Thanks,
Prod.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Aug 19, 2011 - 04:09pm PT
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Where are the PowerPoints?
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Aug 19, 2011 - 05:19pm PT
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Richard is Madbolter
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Prod
Trad climber
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Aug 19, 2011 - 05:27pm PT
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Thanks Tooth,
Hey Gunkie, you started a doosie! Good work.
Prod.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Aug 19, 2011 - 06:26pm PT
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If anyone thinks climbing Torre Egger is trudging up a mountainside, then they might want to visit Patagonia, hike up to the base of the beast and reconsider...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 19, 2011 - 08:23pm PT
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Wings of Steel, a Play, in thirteen acts.
Pitch 1: Edges of ennui.
Pitch 2: Teetering in terror.
Pitch 3: Hooks of horror.
Pitch 4: Ecclesiastic enhancements.
Pitch 5: Angels dancing on pinheads.
Pitch 6: Crumbling cliffhangers.
Pitch 7: Slippery slabbery.
Pitch 8: Microdot mayhem.
Pitch 9: Pristine puckery.
Pitch 10: Drop in defamation.
Pitch 11: Fabulous flakery.
Pitch 12: Tedious tremulous traverse.
Pitch 13: Lucky coup de grace.
(Ran out of room for "divots of destiny".)
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 19, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
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Wow. This is quite a thread. I don't care about the shitters, but whoever threw full cans of beer at them from above need a major blanket party some night. That's just unbelievable that a climber would do that. They need a knuckle sandwich in the worst way.
You guys know who they are, and let them get away with that crap? F*#king unbelievable.
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Gene
climber
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Aug 19, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
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Pitch 8: Microdot mayhem.
LOL.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Aug 19, 2011 - 09:04pm PT
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reconsider....
Ahh, Deucy... finally, you are getting my whole point.
Finally!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 19, 2011 - 09:10pm PT
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Madbolter, it's interesting that you refer to my "same tune" posts. ALL of the posts here are "same tune," yours included, to the point of ad nauseum. I have merely been trying to bring some perspective to this lenghty post concerning less than 3000 feet of granite.
The parochialism on ST is to be expected but it often seems excessive.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 19, 2011 - 10:13pm PT
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So, Richard...
Intermezzo Question #1 languishes in the aisle.
Were you guys planning on finishing WOS on the Aquarian when you left the ground?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 19, 2011 - 10:15pm PT
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Jim. The captain is arguably the most significant hunk of stone in the good ol USA.. people were shat appon, bolts were chopped, folks were slandered or disparged in guide books and the press, the route was not repeted for 27 years, drugs, alchohol and women were involved. That is a bunch of interesting stuff that makes up a good story that is definatly news worthy..
Reminds me of the scene in that Nordwand movie where the sleazy journalist is about to head back to Munich because the climbers are retreating. There is no story in a retreat.. He decides to stay when it looks like they might not make it. There is a story in a tradgedy..
Wings of steel has all the elements of A good story except thankfully not the tradgedy...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 19, 2011 - 11:04pm PT
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I posted this on the WOS Film thread but it belongs here as well. Ammon and Kait have been VERY tight-lipped about the details of the climb, but they've let out some interesting tidbits on their film promo site
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2050292259/wings-of-steel-the-film-0
They say call WOS "the hardest route on El Capitan." Not "a hard route." Not "one of the hardest routes. "THE HARDEST ROUTE." I figure Ammon has probably climbed more El Cap routes than anyone alive or dead and knows what he is talking about.
It took them "13 consecutive days" and during that time they suffered suffered "60 foot falls" and "breakdowns both physically and mentally."
Call it what you want, just don't call it a bolt-ladder.
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