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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 15, 2018 - 11:31am PT
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This is one of the more disgusting actions of the administration, taking children from their parents.
I thought the Repugs liked to trumpet that they were the party of "family values". What family value is served by taking children from parents?
It is for the express purpose of punishing these innocent (in the sense of criminality) children without due process.
I can't speak for others, but my opinion of people who deliberately inflict harm upon children are bound for a special sort of Hell.
I also find it ironic that by this action, they embrace the Elián González case of years ago, when they were so against it at the time.
Trump administration preparing to shelter migrant children on military bases
The proposal marks the latest sign that the government is moving forward with plans to split up families who cross the border illegally.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
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This is one of the more disgusting actions of the administration, taking children from their parents.
This is consistent with Trump's idea of the Art of the Deal: find any seam, or point of weakness, and attack it with a vengeance. Roy Cohn, Trump's fixer back in the 1980s, taught him to use blackmail and extortion-type tactics when dealing with people. Outrageous threats are also part of Trump's self-styled artistry; nobody can every tell if he's serious, or if he's seriously insane.
Trump is like a gangster, threatening to take children hostage to coerce compliance. Loan sharks and drug dealers do the same thing when they don't get paid. No court would ever uphold the new border enforcement plan, but it doesn't matter. All Trump cares about is terrorizing anybody who is considering crossing the border.
Trump issued a similar threat for dealing with ISIS terrorists: hunt their wives, children and families down, and kill them all.
Not surprisingly, Nixon also used an "Unhinged Madman" shtick as a negotiation ploy. Nixon and Trump were both football players, and they both believed that by head-faking an apocalyptic disaster, they could run in for the Big Win.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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May 15, 2018 - 01:30pm PT
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I guess trump won't be getting the Nobel Peace Prize anytime soon. Lol
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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May 15, 2018 - 01:33pm PT
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Here’s a pretty unconscionable one:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-protests-latest-israel-palestine-trump-blocks-un-security-council-statement-investigation-a8352006.html
What business does the USA have in blocking an independent investigation of how Israel handled the killing of 50+ and the wounding of 1200+ Palestinians during a border protest? Let’s assume there is some blame to go around, that the protest was designed to be threatening and eliciit a violent response for the sake of gaining world sympathy. Even so- what is wrong with a proportionate response? Tear gas and rubber bullets could not have protected the borders?
Without judging the particulars of the tragedy of which I am not well informed... How can the USA hold a policy position AGAINST doing an independent investigation? Perhaps because USA would look guilty and complicit by provoking a very sensitive power struggle by moving the embassy in a hugely symbolic gesture of taking sides?
Do most Trump supporters think it was a good idea for USA to be the as#@&%e of the world blocking an independent investigation into the very disproportionate violence and death, potential war crimes? It seems that the only people who can support such actions are the people who will never travel outside the USA and look members of the rest of the world in the eye.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 15, 2018 - 01:39pm PT
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Trump, like all the other recent presidents, does what he's told. It's not Trump that's the problem, he's merely a symptom. The kleptocracy is the problem.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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May 15, 2018 - 02:00pm PT
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The Obama Legacy Deserves to Be Destroyed
It’s strange that a president who had such a transformative effect on our national discourse will leave such a negligible policy legacy.
But Barack Obama, whose imperial term changed the way Americans interact and in some ways paved the way for the Trump presidency, is now watching his much-celebrated and mythologized two-term legacy be systematically demolished. This, in many ways, tells us that American governance still works.
When President Donald Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, he was able to do so without much difficulty because the agreement hinged on presidential fiat rather than national consensus. Obama’s appeasement of Iran was only one in a string of unilateral norm-busting projects that deserve to be dismantled...
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/05/11/the-obama-legacy-deserves-to-be-destroyed/
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 15, 2018 - 02:07pm PT
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When will the conservative intellectual discourse start
All I've read is opinionated BS so far
The Iran deal??
Trump violated it for one reason, Russia wants us to.
So if you conservatives agree that you are in bed with Russia, I guess I can see why you agree with Trump and his dismantling of Obama's legacy
Trump has created mostly just chaos and insecurity, more Plusses for Russia
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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May 15, 2018 - 02:44pm PT
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so now Edward is excited that he found someone on a "conservative" web site who wrote an opinion piece that states the obvious
yes Edward, Donald Trump hates President Obama and lead the "birther" lies
he has used "executive orders" to overturn anything of President Obama's that he can
this has been obvious to everyone for well over a year now
and this is somehow news to you? so exciting you just had to tell someone else, whoopee!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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May 15, 2018 - 05:20pm PT
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So, don't call him "moron" or "idiot;" call him what he is: a conniving, corrupt con man, a dangerous, divisive demagogue -- and, most sobering of all, the man who carried 30 states in the last election, and may well do it again if Democrats don't focus their fire more effectively.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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May 15, 2018 - 06:43pm PT
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Sorry if this is a repeat post. Trump supports jobs in China for ZTE and within days of that Chinese government gives $500,000,000.00 loans to a project that will personally enrich Donald Trump.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-china-zte_us_5af9f701e4b0200bcab7fa66
So how much money is enough for Trump to stash outside USA to be able to keep running from USA law enforcement when he is convicted? Or more likely, how much is enough to bribe/threaten the prosecutors and judges and their management chain and pay for the next-generation of Cambridge Analytica to flood Facebook and Twitter and the interwebs to change our perception of the facts?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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May 15, 2018 - 07:18pm PT
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Odds on the Kleptocracy?
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WBraun
climber
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May 15, 2018 - 07:20pm PT
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Oh for fux sakes it is already known that Bin Laden will be next US POTUS.
He will be revived from the C.I.A crypt and be remade into a new American winner masqueraded as a dark horse from out of the blue.
St00pid Americans will be shocked once again with a "WTF just happened!!!!!" .....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 15, 2018 - 07:33pm PT
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Only fools predict the weather and elections...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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May 15, 2018 - 07:44pm PT
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Prediction: Trump wins a fake Nobel Peace prize
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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May 15, 2018 - 07:53pm PT
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That's fake news, Jon Beck!
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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May 15, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
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Cross your fingers that Biden is still with us in a couple of years. He's up around my age.
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WBraun
climber
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May 15, 2018 - 08:54pm PT
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Meh .... Biden is a washed up clown.
Putin will run America in 2020 by remote control .......
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 15, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2018 - 11:22pm PT
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When President Donald Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, he was able to do so without much difficulty because the agreement hinged on presidential fiat rather than national consensus.
You just made the Trump haters' argument for them.
The overwhelming national consensus was for the U.S. to stay with the Iran nuclear deal. It would have given us ten years' time, without an Iranian nuclear program, for further negotiations toward a more permanent agreement. Instead, Trump ignored the will of 2/3 of the American people, and dumped the agreement without having any other deal, or any other plan, in place.
The overwhelming international consensus was also for the U.S. to remain with the agreement, and not reject it. Now, those other nations are working to continue the deal with Iran, without America's involvement or influence.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/08/politics/poll-iran-agreement/index.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/10/12/poll-most-americans-support-the-2015-iran-nuclear-deal-infographic/#150315387d93
http://www.euronews.com/2018/05/07/where-do-countries-stand-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal-
People hate trump because he continually does the exact opposite of what the majority of Americans want. Usually, he does things to benefit the special interests he spoke out against during his campaign, which was ostensibly a major reason people voted for him. And, his promises to help his Middle American voter have been forgotten, or diametrically violated to the benefit of rich people. Trump's former supporters are onto his conman bait-and-switch game, and the Republicans are going to get severely hurt in November.
Trump's voter base is rapidly deserting him because he gave big tax breaks to rich people, and only peanuts to them. He promised to get rid of Obamacare, and give everybody health care with "something so much better". Instead, he simply eliminated health care for tens of thousands of people who voted for him. Trump had people chanting, "Drain The Swamp" at his campaign rallies, then he installed one of the most corrupt and "swampy" administrations since the days of the Teapot Dome Scandal. Trump says that "nobody is tougher on Russia than I am", but ever week there is more and more evidence that his lawyers, his associates, his business partners, his campaign staff, and his administration officials have close ties to Russian oligarchs, and thus, to Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin.
The law, the facts and time are not on Trump's side. He is twisting and gyrating randomly, lashing out here, spewing insane lies there. Trump's dwindling crowd of supporters are cheering his frenetic last moves, as if that will somehow cure his presidency of its malignant, metastasized and terminal cancer.
Trump has continually attempted to cover-up and/or derail investigations surrounding himself and his associates. It should not surprise anyone that he is now doing the same thing, over in Israel, because he cavalierly moved the embassy to Jerusalem, and now there are protests and riots and dead people.
Jared Kushner's family has close ties to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. When Netanyahu has come to New York, he has stayed at the Kushner family residence. The Kushner family has contributed financially to Netanyahu's political career. Jared Kushner knows Netanyahu personally, and has acted on behalf of the White House during diplomatic interchanges with him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/11/us/politics/jared-kushner-israel.html
The Trump administration has no business being involved in Israeli politics. There is no pretense of America being an objective broker of peace. Jared Kushner is an active proponent of a unilateral Israeli agenda. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem was just the beginning.
Ari Melber, an MSNBC newscaster, used the phrase,
. . . . Guiliani's ongoing, unorthodox defense of Trump . . . .
Rudy Guiliani's "Unorthodox Defense" relies on "Alternative Facts" conjured by a "Senile Septuagenarian".
Robert Mueller and Michael Avenatti are getting ready to play 110 mph Major League hard ball.
Rudy Giuliani is serenely bumbling along towards first base, pushing a shuffleboard puck with his stick, oblivious that he's playing the wrong game, and unaware that the real game hasn't even started yet.
Trump is so insane, he has given Giuliani a sinecure position on his legal team, and doesn't know, or doesn't care, that Giuliani's ongoing, televised blunders are of the greatest legal and tactical benefit to the opposing counsel.
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