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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 21, 2013 - 02:43am PT
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from David Husted also-----just posted this 9/20 on find mattgreene facebook page under post about Dean:
I ran into this guy on August 28th along the Shadow Creek Trail at Ediza Lake. He's got the right idea searching the glaciers along the Minarets. I'm pretty sure that there's a glacier up there that has clues about Mathew.
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Supermama
Social climber
pa
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Sep 21, 2013 - 11:43am PT
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Tiffany and Ron...Any luck with the Hotmail account? Sorry the school account didn't turn up any information. I tried.
Dan...thanks for all you are doing!
Everyone...We have a whole school full of children and staff as well as his friends and family who are missing him greatly. I realize the odds are not in his favor, however, think of how you would feel if this was your son, brother, teacher, coworker or friend who went missing. Would you give up?
Keep the faith and let's carry on with the search...
Split Pants...any word from the boots to ground team?
supermama
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Sep 21, 2013 - 11:53am PT
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From the link above, with U.S. population of 312 million, it appears that each of us has a one in about 135,000 chance of being reported missing today.
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James Wilcox
Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
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Sep 21, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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At this point, I'd think that offering a decent reward, as opposed to hiring a search team, would make more financial sense. With so little known facts the odds of a hired team producing ne leads isn't all that high, whereas with a reward you only have to pay if there's results. And a decent reward could get a lot of local people motivated to hike into the suspect areas.
Nice of Dan to contact Mr. Dotsie. Eastside rock just tears up a dog's paws quickly(vet wrap and booties are standard equipment in our packs), and with the limitations on his dog I just don't see him making it to Ritter Range. But usually SAR dog people know other ones, so maybe he knows other trained teams who could help.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Sep 21, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
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James - my fear in posting a reward is that people who are not qualified to be in the mountains will try to look and be another liability or loss. Last thing I want is someone getting injured, lost, or worse.
PA detective wants to talk Tuesday.
Jill/John still going over what Morales has shared. When we have a good handle on it, we'll share for the whole group.
Matt is still very much on the forefront of my thoughts. I've heard I should let it go but I just can't yet. Too many raw emotions at the moment to say much more, but please all accept my heartfelt gratitude for sticking with me through this.
PS, just saw on a webcam it's snowing on Mammoth Mountain. :(
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Dan Watson
climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Sep 21, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
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There's been mostly rain in town with a minor dusting of snow, at least at my house which is at 8100 feet. It's snowing at the higher elevations, but accumulations are minor. It's supposed to be clear and sunny through Tuesay with a chance of rain on Wednesday and Thursday. The small amount of snow at higher elevations should not impact access.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 21, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
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Thank you Dan Watson for contacting Paul Dostie.
What did Paul Dostie say about helping with the search?
I, as LA Hiker, am curious to know if he has any suggestions, insights....even if not able to search difficult areas with his dog.
I facebooked about 20 hiking and nature groups yesterday, in the west coast, east coast , international.....with the Matt Greene missing poster. I will let you know if I get any responses, besides David who is on his way up there.
Tiffany, Supermama,
I haven't given up hope.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Sep 22, 2013 - 12:06am PT
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Matt is still very much on the forefront of my thoughts. I've heard I should let it go, but I just can't yet. Too many raw emotions at the moment to say much more, but please all accept my heartfelt gratitude for sticking with me through this.
PS, just saw on a webcam it's snowing on Mammoth Mountain. :( (excellent post ^^) I was coming back from a drive north on 395 this evening, and saw the snow level while going by June lake Loop around 6:30 PM. The storm was plenty potent. No doubt there's some epics being dealt with up in the high country as we speak.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 22, 2013 - 12:13am PT
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The lake on the back side of South Notch and the Clyde/Ken/Kerhlein Minarets is properly called Amphitheater Lake.
yes, it should be searched.
I'm still swamped with my project, hope to have some time tomorrow to help Split Pants update the list of places looked at / and to be looked at.
This weekend's snow is minor and I would expect it to melt within a few days even in the Minarets. No sense in taking a hike just for the purpose of looking until it melts. A lot of the likely spots such as clefts between boulders and bases of couloirs will be partially obscured (and easy enough to fall into). We SHOULD have several more weeks of decent weather although the past two years' weather has definitely been out of the normal. New Years' Ice skating on the High Sierra lakes and streams with not a snow patch on the ground?
Odd history bits: When Walter Starr Jr died on the Michael Minaret in 1933 there were Lower and Upper Iceberg Lakes. Now the upper Iceberg is Cecile Lake. However Amphitheater Lake was called Amphitheater Lake in '33. Amphitheater Chute was named by the first ascenders in the '60s.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 22, 2013 - 02:33am PT
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HighTraverse - from David Husted:
11:23pm
that Amphitheater lake is very remote and a good place to look. I didn't have the time to explore it. The glacier at the north end of the lake would be a good starting point. There are very few clues of the few people that visit this lake from the south notch.
11:27pm
David will not be doing this hike - he says: Something tells me in my gut that his goal was to get to the top of some minaret peak by means of glacier travel. Those boots he had are some serious mountaineering footwear.
11:37pm
This week: Twin Island Lakes, Rodgers peak, and Electra Peak. Western approach via the Isberg Pass Trail.
Here's the map: http://hikenhi.smugmug.com/Davids-Hiking-and/Rodgers-Peak-the-North-fork-of
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Dan Watson
climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Sep 22, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
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I forwarded an e-mail from Split Pants that contains a summary of the areas searched and other relevant information to Dostie. He was going to review it last night and then determine what assistance he could possibly provide.
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kenish
Gym climber
Orange County, CA
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Sep 22, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
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A climber suggested that Matt or his equipment could have fallen and come to rest down the west side of a crest or peak. Several climbers agreed it's plausible. The search map looks like the western slopes are unsearched for the most part. Has the area been searched? Or is glassing unlikely to get results and a ground search impractical and too risky? I'm sure there's a good reason...I know very little about the "other side of the mountain". Thought I'd bring it up since the weather window is starting to close.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 23, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
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Is this(Discovery Pinnacle) anywhere near discussed and agreed upon possible destinations of Matt's?
Could he have hooked up with another hiker and this gear belong to the other person?
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10b4me
Ice climber
Soon 2B Flagstaff
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Sep 23, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
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Discovery Pinnacle is in the Whitney area.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 23, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
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Yes, I see that now.....about 50? 100 miles away?
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kenish
Gym climber
Orange County, CA
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Sep 23, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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Discovery Pinnacle is 80-100 miles south of Mammoth, very near Mt. Whitney. I'd urge the person who found the abandoned camp to report it to SAR or the sheriff. It's either in Inyo or Tulare County...but might get more attention thru Inyo County. It may be connected to a known rescue/recovery where the camp was abandoned or never found, or less likely to a still-missing person or even the subject of an active search (like Matt). No matter what, that much gear isn't simply lost or casually left behind. The owner wouldn't be able to continue much longer without it.
I'd reply on Summitpost myself, but I'm not registered. Best to err on the side of the worst-case...and hopefully free stuff to the finder if SAR or LEO can't connect it to anyone (I'd personally feel creeped out or ghoulish getting gear found under that circumstance).
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 24, 2013 - 03:43am PT
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I look forward to hearing what HighTransverse and Split Pants have come up with re a list of what still needs to be searched.
I also am looking forward to hearing Paul Dostie's thoughts.
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jeg
Social climber
center valley,Pa
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Sep 25, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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We spoke with the gentleman(Arnold), who spoke with Matt the Friday before he went missing. We had 2 separate conversation with him.
1st conversation....He remembers Matt showing him pictures
of climbs he had done and climbs he wanted to do. He thought there were 2 climbs Matt wanted to do before leaving Mammoth, one being in Yosemite. I asked him if Ritter, Banner, iron mountain rang a bell and he said no but he thought one did start with a B. He also said Mt Lyell did ring a bell. He did recall matt talking about climbing in the minarets and getting into some dicey situations. He said he would look through some pages on line from the Secor book before our next conversation.
2nd conversation.... He was looking through the pages in Secor's SECOND edition online. Matt had the 3rd edition.
He is 100 percent sure Matt showed him the pages 395 and 371 and that Banner and Laurel rang a bell.
He also showed him page 404(cathedral peak).
Matt spoke to him about climbs he did and climbs he wanted to do but Arnold isn't sure which were the 2 he wanted to do. We did inform him that he may have showed him cathedral because he climbed it the previous year.
Arnold truly tried his best to remember that night. We need to remember that it was 2 months ago and Arnold is a NON climber.
He really kept talking about page 371 in the second edition. He was 100% sure matt showed him this page.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Sep 25, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
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This is the photo that Amazon is showing me in the preview for Page 371 of the Secor THIRD edition book. Based on your description it sounds like a match.
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