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jstan
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Dec 20, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
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You can stop honest american gun owners from owning and honest american gun manufacturers and still have a glut of guns coming in from fifteen other countries on any give day.
I don't remember the statistics, but I have heard reports that the majority of the guns coming across our border, came originally from the US.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 20, 2012 - 09:35pm PT
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Some people eh... Exuding class...
Adequate to the occasion.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 20, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
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Some people eh... Exuding class...
nice move, Ron
how about your signature line: "soon to be a nipple sucking liberal"
yeah, you are a real class act
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John M
climber
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Dec 20, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
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Could those who are attacking Ron please let it go. He explained that he and his friend filled out all of the paperwork that was necessary at the time. If your point is that that should be illegal, then fine, make that point. But please.. enough with the personal attacks.
This was a terrible thing that happened. Though the numbers of mass killings by statistics has supposedly not changed, it certainly seems different with kids taking it to schools.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 20, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear our president, governors or other politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 20, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
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You Americans have almost more illegal aliens than Canada has Canadians.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
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China is begging you to give up your firearms.
Japan didn't consider invading mainland USA when 'there was a rifle behind every blade of grass'
Hitler didn't consider invading Switzerland for the same reason.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:18pm PT
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China is begging you to give up your firearms.
Like we're going to have a war with China.
"Mr. Chinese ambassador, here is a declaration of war! Oh, and here's an order for steel so we can build some tanks to attack you with. One more thing, could you send over somebody who knows how to make steel. We got rid of all our steelworkers."
But getting back on topic:
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
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You are right Gary. You are socially engineered with China that they can't even dump your dollar, it would be mutually destructive.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
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Yeah Bruce, I know a bunch of them from when I was living down there.
What I really feel about the topic is that society as a whole. is a result of the last generation's parenting. If economic times are tough, both parents have to work, and parenting isn't as good when both parents have to work full time.
This gun violence could slow down if all parents put a big emphasis on teaching their kids differently, either to imprint in their brains that guns are tools and how to use them so that when they get emotional and mad, they don't react like you would with TV and video game imprinting.
This happened in a way with smoking, it was no longer done as much, and the next generation didn't grow up idolizing a person smoking, didn't end up smoking themselves.
Given your changes in demographics/education/economics, I'm not sure you can get this number lower than it has been in the past 30 years. And I know you can not get the media to change how they work either. The government will make laws, that is what they do, and they do it well. Social issues are much more complex, and may or may not be affected by rules any particular administration may make during the next generation's child-raising decades.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear our president, governors or other politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Ha! The dentist shoots back (and drills it!)
Violence Prevention Research Program
Nice name.
I wonder how much research they are doing that isn't about manipulating statistics in order to support gun prohibition.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
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I wonder if they talked about "crossbow violence" in the middle ages.... Must have...
"If we only can get rid of all the crossbows" Nobody needs a crossbow. With crossbows banned, we can all finally establish a lasting universal peace.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
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Japan didn't consider invading mainland USA when 'there was a rifle behind every blade of grass'
Really? Breathtaking.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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Well, I think people should be able to own crossbows if they pass a background check.
We dunk them and if they don't drown they must be witches so they can't have a crossbow.
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monolith
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albany,ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
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Crossbows were banned from time to time in medieval times.
The pope banned their use used against fellow christians. Okay to use them against Muslims.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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But the suspected witches all drowned. so no need for crossbows
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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But there was also someone who knew how to use it behind every rifle. No use having lots of guns if the population doesn't know how to use them properly.
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