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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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May 14, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
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The dissonance.... ... ... ...
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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May 14, 2018 - 07:53pm PT
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does anybody actually read the Walls Of Text Madbolter posts? I sure don't
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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May 14, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
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It is time off your life,really......lol
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 14, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
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I took the Evelyn Wood speed eating course and read every one of Mads walls of Tex....
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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May 14, 2018 - 08:20pm PT
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Lotta words but +1 Madbolter
We have to think not just about the “ends,” but what the “means” means for society.
I hope as much as the next bleeding heart liberal that Trump (and Pruitt, and ....) are held accountable in a court of law. I’m for prosecuting Democrat criminals too. But whatever societal angst we have should be focused not on vengeance against Trump (who is a symptom of a broken system), but on fixing the system
Election finance reform, media transparency, redistricting rules, voting access and integrity, enforcement and accountability for provable lies...the foundations of a healthy democracy are badly damaged in our country but they can be fixed. If we keep ignoring them, we should expect more of the same of Trump’s ilk, more us/them drama while the rich/poor divide grows and we squander rights that people have shed blood for hundreds of years to provide us with.
Our country is in deep need of introspection, and I don’t see it happening yet. It is hard enough for one person to make major strides in emotional growth, and pretty daunting to consider how we can do it together as a society. It will only come about through rational dialog and finding common ground that taps into our shared emotional needs and desires. It won’t happen from a witch hunt against Trump (even if he is a despicable human being by many of our judgments).
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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May 15, 2018 - 05:59am PT
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Trump keeps another campaign promise, saving Chinese jobs in exchange for a half billion dollar investment in TrumpCo. Swamp much?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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May 15, 2018 - 06:33am PT
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
May 14, 2018 - 07:53pm PT
does anybody actually read the Walls Of Text Madbolter posts? I sure don't
Here's a short recap, old man.
Everybody thought Trump was a joke, who would screw everything up and be gone in short order. Turns out he's doing an excellent job of keeping his campaign promises. You know.... the promises that attracted voters.
MB1's bigger point goes to the mindset/behavior of the left. It's become overrun with intolerant myopic haters. They exemplify the negative characteristics they accuse Trump supporters of possessing.
There's little room for civil discourse. It's about shutting down the other guy.
"We have met the enemy..."
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 15, 2018 - 06:47am PT
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Ed...thanks for editing the wall...Mexico didn't pay bolter...? ...trump hasn't kept his promise of draining the swamp ( he's still treading swamp water ) but his voters don't care as long as hillary isn't prez...
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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May 15, 2018 - 07:03am PT
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Madbolter, shoveling piles and piles of didactic verbage to mask your bullshit reasoning doesn't fool anyone here. (Edit- I guess it does)
To a rational person, only one point resonates- You are forever on record for defending Trump.
From and academic standpoint, let's you and I revisit this topic in about a year.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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May 15, 2018 - 07:44am PT
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...to a rational person, only one point resonates- You are forever on record for defending Trump.
Actually, I don't think any reasonable mind could interpret Madbolter's comments as defending Trump (once that reasonable mind was able to labor through his whole novel that is).
I think he's arguing for less dogmatic thinking and more analyzing for oneself. For an attempt at objective fairness.
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WBraun
climber
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May 15, 2018 - 07:45am PT
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Yep, that's right ^^^^
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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May 15, 2018 - 08:04am PT
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Actually, I don't think any reasonable mind could interpret Madbolter's comments as defending Trump (once that reasonable mind was able to labor through his whole novel that is).
I think he's arguing for less dogmatic thinking and more analyzing for oneself. For an attempt at objective fairness.
It's the things he has written in the past that lead me to believe he supports trump.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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May 15, 2018 - 08:18am PT
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Madbolter-Basically any idea you don't agree with is instantly labeled as "hate speech." There it is in one sentence.
Classic MadBolter equivocation, and a common chord struck by those who wish to brand Trump as and his supporters as victims of left-wing intolerance.
Almost every renowned presidential historian, nonpartisan National Security expert and Constitutional law scholar agree that Trump is attempting to tear apart our institutions and subvert the Constitution. This goes well beyond your cavalier label of political disagreement.
Again, let's see where this is in one year.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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May 15, 2018 - 08:25am PT
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I think he's arguing for less dogmatic thinking and more analyzing for oneself. For an attempt at objective fairness.
A civil and reasonable response. But good luck convincing liberals here. They quite firmly believe "you're either with us. . . or against us."
Almost every renowned presidential historian, nonpartisan National Security expert and Constitutional law scholar agree that Trump is attempting to tear apart our institutions and subvert the Constitution.
Oh geeeezzz, now you're just making things up. Kinda like when you claimed you would pay your work crews a living wage, right?
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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May 15, 2018 - 08:38am PT
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...but good luck convincing liberals here. They quite firmly believe 'you're either with us. . . or against us.'
See, the thing is, viewed from the center, you could just as easily have typed "conservatives" where you typed "liberals."
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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May 15, 2018 - 08:40am PT
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A civil and reasonable response. But good luck convincing liberals here. They quite firmly believe "you're either with us. . . or against us."
And, the right was/is objective about?
Hilary? Gore? Climate?.....
"Liberals"?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 15, 2018 - 09:36am PT
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does anybody actually read the Walls Of Text Madbolter posts? I sure don't
He does use big-boy words, that might be the genesis of your consternation.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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May 15, 2018 - 09:40am PT
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See, the thing is, viewed from the center, you could just as easily have typed "conservatives" where you typed "liberals."
And not even from the center but from predominantly an ethical standpoint.
I'm a lifelong liberal, Democrat and have railed often against Hillary and her cadre of cynical, lying operatives. And yes, I got plenty of sh#t from the partisans- we know who they are.
Just have the balls to call out one of your own...
Lituya- my employees are free to seek employment elsewhere but they just seem to stick around for years- wonder why?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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May 15, 2018 - 09:46am PT
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Again, let's see where this is in one year.
OK... let’s see what’s going on in a year.
For some really fun reading.... look back one year and see what the ST boys and girls were predicting.
Try it.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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May 15, 2018 - 10:04am PT
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Great, let's keep it civil so the thread doesn't get axed and revisit in May, 019.
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