The Massive Ark on the Moon (very OT, but of high interest)

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WBraun

climber
Oct 14, 2010 - 12:56am PT
MH

Trying to sidestep your own feeble deficiencies and pointing them at klimmer rocky go-bee et all is a sure sign you're bat sh'it crazy yourself.

It won't work for you.

Kill your "self" and they'll all disappear and you'll be the one left standing at the door looking at your own self.

Whether they're crazy or not is not the point.

The point is in the projector ......

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 14, 2010 - 12:59am PT
Klimmer is not crazy, and he doesn't deserve the kind of treatment he is getting here.
He and his fellow travellers post drivel, ad nauseam, and so can't complain about the response. Live by the sword, die by the sword. That's free speech.

Werner: I haven't once claimed to be sane, although by established medico-legal standards I certainly am.
WBraun

climber
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:05am PT
And so do you.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:06am PT
Tom Cochrane - sane or insane? We report, you decide!

Linda is a more reliable and meticulous researcher than most of the posters here


Linda has published extensively on what she knows. My experience with her tells me to trust her reports. I know very well that she would much rather report on much less controversial subjects. She has been drawn into this area of reporting against her will, out of a sense of duty and honesty and persistence.

So here goes on what Linda told me yesterday (the latest update on a lifelong research trail by her):

Linda believes that government insiders are madly withholding their knowledge for fear of upsetting everything that people think they know about ourselves and religions and the sciences; thereby collapsing what little structure is still holding our society together; and their tenuous hold on control of it. The stock market is already upside down over the greed of the kleptocrats. So just imagine how this news will affect confidence in the monetary system. However she also believes that our best chance for survival as a species consists of open revelations and honesty about what is known and working together to fix the overwhelming problems on the planet.

Part of the problem is that these government insiders have built such a network of lies and secrecy over the past 6o years that nobody believes much of anything they say to us anymore. So if they make an attempt at honest revelation on subjects that they have been pushing to be wild speculation; it will just release societal meltdown. That’s why you see instead so many heavily funded SiFi shows.

Linda believes that humans are genetically engineered experiments by entities that have been managing our development for longer than any recorded history. They are not ‘aliens’. These entities are perhaps on the order of a million years ahead of us in their development. She believes we have about as much influence on them as the lab animals in the secret high-tech Stanford dungeon have on the human medical research community. She believes our scientific and technical development progress is based upon little teasers that get dropped in the lap of some of our ‘geniuses’ (I’ve had NASA ‘geniuses’ reveal this to me). One of the results of this force-feeding is that we completely misunderstand some of what we consider to be our own knowledge of the sciences. Linda believes that part of the chaos in our society is created by the fact that not one, but several competing groups are involved: primarily the Nordics, the Little Greys, and the Reptilians. Linda believes that it is trivial for them to take on human form at will, so it is basically impossible to know when you are dealing directly with them. Linda believes that the Nazis are inspired by a Nordics enterprise to create a tall blond super race. And the Nordics are possibly the more sympathetic towards humans out of the three. Basically these creatures have about as much concern for the human race as our medical researchers have for big batches of lab rats. And we have about as much chance of confronting them militarily.

If some of you actually care to do your homework, you will find a huge amount of literature out there where people have researched and published pieces of this puzzle. These taco threads have only tugged on a few loose strings so far...


The more serious and persistent attacks on him seem to be coming from funded disinformation efforts - which only indicates to me that he is getting too close to some sensitive information.

These serious attacks seem to activate the childish bully personality aspects of some otherwise relatively civilized individuals; to their discredit. This has gone well beyond the fun stage to a point that could justify legal retaliation. My suggestion to these people is to wise up and grow up.

I want to say for the record that I think that any of you who are working on government disinformation campaigns should be completely ashamed of yourselves and should change your tune. Your time has passed!











































(snicker... Tom Cochrane is a government insider--can he prove he's not a giant lizard?)
TomCochrane

Trad climber
I've lost track...
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:07am PT
If all this material is drivel, why are you here wasting your time reading it and attacking the messenger?

insane = persisting in willfully destructive actions

Edit: I wish I was enough of a government insider to be able to tell anyone that I know what's going on; but that is far from the case. I don't even have any particular clearances other than the standard civilian background check. I do know a lot of interesting people, but the only ones I know who have real power and perhaps the inside scoop aren't about to reveal anything without high level security clearances and an official 'need to know' assignment. I've made it clear that I think the black curtain should be drawn back to educate the public.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:10am PT
This has gone well beyond the fun stage to a point that could justify legal retaliation.



Ohhhhhhh! How scared should we be, Mighty Hiker?


Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:11am PT
It's a public service, and entertaining, driving out these loonies as the moneychangers were driven out of the temple. (Not that climbing is a religion or SuperTopo its temple...) Besides, as WB knows, to err is human, but to forklift is divine.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:19am PT
The more serious and persistent attacks on him seem to be coming from funded disinformation efforts - which only indicates to me that he is getting too close to some sensitive information.

These serious attacks seem to activate the childish bully personality aspects of some otherwise relatively civilized individuals; to their discredit. This has gone well beyond the fun stage to a point that could justify legal retaliation. My suggestion to these people is to wise up and grow up.

I want to say for the record that I think that any of you who are working on government disinformation campaigns should be completely ashamed of yourselves and should change your tune. Your time has passed!

tom, you are as crazy as klimmer!

we now have a NEW CONSPIRACY!
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:22am PT
Tony Bird wrote

Like tom, i've had a hint of confirmation in the world i know of, in my case a childhood friend reportedly becoming an illuminatus. he had gone into the navy, served as an officer, and then apparently got the "call" to be an insider. it drove a real wedge between him and his brothers and involved bugging and helicopter buzzing of their rural home at the time of the supposed induction. these reports are all second-hand, but supposedly he told his family "the illuminati are good". if i get a little more footloose someday, i may look this mofo up and twist his arm in a dark alley.

So Tony Bird apparently claims to believe that there is a supersecret superevil superpowerful society called the "illuminati" that controls the world and he posts under his own name on a public forum that he is against this society and would like to rough up someone who he heard, secondhand, might be in this society?

He either lying about believing in the illuminati or really stupid. Where there are powerful immoral gangs in charge, for example in North Korea, Communist Russia or other dictatorships, we all know what happens to people who say things like that publicly. If he really believed, he'd be too scared to say anything.

And this is his "childhood friend" that he heard things about "secondhand" and he's calling him a "mofo" and planning on "twisting his arm in a dark alley." Maybe Tony needs his own "redneck neighbor" thread about him.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
I've lost track...
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:32am PT
i was wondering if some of you thought you were doing this ridicule as some sort of a public service. i think you are mistaken in that, and you don't know enough to be a debunker, so you just resort to poorly aimed defamation.

so i am seriously interested in discerning the truth in some of these matters. if they are all bunk, i'd really like to know that; and even more importantly know how these stories came about; and why the sources felt it was important to put them out there.

that is why i find Linda so interesting. i know that she really doesn't like this stuff and really works hard to find out the truth. so when she has something to say, i listen carefully; no matter how hard it might be to believe what she thinks she has learned

when someone just hangs around on this thread spouting ridicule, i have to seriously question your motives

graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:33am PT
Tom, I meant Linda's opinion, an unverifiable speculation about the ET equation. I know she is superb with presenting great evidence, but she must have come to some personal conclusions by now that are unpublished. Perhaps she might share them with you, and then second hand them to us.

Diego Garcia yes, but a Russian launch even more probable. The amount of publicity Apollo 20 gets almost cries out disinformation, why only footage from inside the lunar module, the prize would be closeups of the "Ark". Creating the phony Apollo thesis would be a great cover for the entire operation being russian in origin.

What's not along the same line is things we observe that don't fit our knowledge or anything we know how to do.

Ironically these observations are potentially the golden fleeces of physics, anti gravity, evidence of phasing in and out of higher dimensions. I don't understand why the mockery of such observations. I really wish I could get a physicist to look at some of my night vision footage taken whilst in close quarters with Sasquatch. I am convinced bigfoot is partially a physics problem, and would reveal many things physicists are currently theorizing about, plus more.

I knew a woman whom was a contractor at the underground base in Hawaii. A very deep underground trip to the control room where the computers were. She described a large area at the surface, just below ground level, covered with camo netting. What intrigued her most there was an array of tubes with colored lights blinking skywards. It sounded to me like optical communications systems pointed directly at a geostationary sattelite and then relayed to the mainland in the same fashion. Simple but very secure.

I still have a copy of the northrop? video of a B2 bomber in flight, showing the engines turning bright orange, kinda matches what I've read about dumping ions into them to achieve anti gravity lift or propulsion. The video is now impossible to find on the internet anywhere last i looked.

I have also done some reading on plasma cosmology, pretty damm interesting sh#t regarding planet formation, accretion disc theory is kind of a stretch for me, works for asteroids but come on, gas giants ? nope.

Existence of a 2nd orbiting space station military in nature, is that probable ?

Whew kinda broad spectrum post ...

bmacd, remember to breathe!
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:35am PT
i have to seriously question your motives

It all works out, Tom.

You question our motives, we question your sanity.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
I've lost track...
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:38am PT
doesn't anyone have a real interest in the subjects under discussion, or is it just too much fun for you children to babble and sling mud around??
TomCochrane

Trad climber
I've lost track...
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:41am PT
ok so let's discuss sanity a bit, since that seems to be the topic for the evening.

there is clearly a lot of really weird information flying around here. it is not obvious that it is all just noise in the system.

so is it insane to be interested in discussions sorting out truth from fiction?

or is it perhaps insane to attack and ridicule anyone who tries to look at the information?

Edit: and yes i am aware that i am now offering myself as the latest target for your vindictive attacks. i do that because i am sickened by your behavior and foolish enough to think you can actually behave better if you grow up a bit. so we get to see how long i can remain a gentleman in the face of whatever you care to escalate.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:42am PT



























TomCochrane

Trad climber
I've lost track...
Oct 14, 2010 - 01:52am PT
graniteclimber that is just more noise

why don't you reveal your identity?

as a show of good faith that you are not just hanging around here trying to be destructive to this thread
Wonder

climber
WA
Oct 14, 2010 - 02:01am PT
I remember there was a kid of some sort on here awhile ago named Rajmit. He acted alot like GC.
I figure his bosses will eventually pull him out of here because he is a loser and he is really not doing his job very well.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Oct 14, 2010 - 02:02am PT






























TomCochrane

Trad climber
I've lost track...
Oct 14, 2010 - 02:04am PT
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Oct 14, 2010 - 02:06am PT
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